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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's an argument which has raged for decades. It would put the burden of proof on the defendant to prove these violations took place, rather than put the burden on the government to show that the evidence was obtained cleanly. The burden should always be on the government.

    Inadmissibility is the most libertarian way to do it.



    They sure do in airports, anyway.
    if you are not guilty, whether the search is legal or not...they shouldn't find any evidence. If they search your house by mistake and don't find anything they should have to compensate you for the inconvenience.

    just seems to me that "inadmissible" lets more guilty people walk than it protects innocent people. the system is skewed in favor of the bad guys
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yet another embarrassing defeat for this clown in the WH.


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    If a cop arrested you and sent you to court on numerous charges but you were only convicted of one and got sentenced twenty years in jail for it would you be laughing all the way to jail about how you were found not guilty.

    It's like a delusion. A terrorist is convicted and found guilty on something that could him twenty to life in prison and then we actually have a thread titled "terrorist found not guilty" and blaming Obama that only one charge stuck. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if you are not guilty, whether the search is legal or not...they shouldn't find any evidence. If they search your house by mistake and don't find anything they should have to compensate you for the inconvenience.

    just seems to me that "inadmissible" lets more guilty people walk than it protects innocent people. the system is skewed in favor of the bad guys
    There are trade-offs to living in a free society. There will be a certain level of lawlessness and some people will get away with things. Better that than violating civil liberties.

    But the idea that if you're not guilty, there won't be evidence, is just wrong. Evidence is what it is. There are plenty of things you have, etc., which could very will be evidence of something, whether or not you did it. It's whether or not the evidence adds up to proof.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why not? please explain.
    Civilian courts and military courts have different set of rules and regulations, for instance.. In civilian courts a man/woman is innocent until proven guilty and in military courts a man/woman is guilty until proven innocent, why because again... rules and regulations are completely different.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's whether or not the evidence adds up to proof.
    and how that evidence is obtained has no bearing on whether or not it adds up to proof. as I said, admissibility, in and of itself, is a BS technicality.



    I have a dozen or so firearms in my home. let the cops come and take everyone of them as "evidence" they will find no "proof" that any of them were used in the commission of a crime. would they go to the expense and time to do so if they didn't have reason to suspect me? i doubt it.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    So, America has failed by requiring that honest justice be served? How exactly is acting like civilized people and requiring a fair trial for our enemies a bad thing? It's not like the guy is going free. He's going to be in prison, likely for the rest of his life, and we proved it honestly and fairly. Not having to resort to barbarism in order to win this conflict seems like a victory, not a loss.

    Requiring fair and regulated information gathering keeps our law enforcement honest. In a civilized country, we would rather release a guilty person than punish an innocent one. No matter how bloodthirsty a crowd may be, cold and impartial justice wins the day.

    And it did win the day here. The bad guy was caught, tried, found guilty, and imprisoned. The bull factor in this article is insane. This was a victory, not a defeat. Spinning it to attack Obama is absurd. WE WON.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and how that evidence is obtained has no bearing on whether or not it adds up to proof. as I said, admissibility, in and of itself, is a BS technicality.

    I have a dozen or so firearms in my home. let the cops come and take everyone of them as "evidence" they will find no "proof" that any of them were used in the commission of a crime. would they go to the expense and time to do so if they didn't have reason to suspect me? i doubt it.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, America has failed by requiring that honest justice be served? How exactly is acting like civilized people and requiring a fair trial for our enemies a bad thing? It's not like the guy is going free. He's going to be in prison, likely for the rest of his life, and we proved it honestly and fairly. Not having to resort to barbarism in order to win this conflict seems like a victory, not a loss.

    Requiring fair and regulated information gathering keeps our law enforcement honest. In a civilized country, we would rather release a guilty person than punish an innocent one. No matter how bloodthirsty a crowd may be, cold and impartial justice wins the day.

    And it did win the day here. The bad guy was caught, tried, found guilty, and imprisoned. The bull factor in this article is insane. This was a victory, not a defeat. Spinning it to attack Obama is absurd. WE WON.
    agreed, whatever your political lean, whoever you wish to blame. the truth is this guy will spend 20 to life in prison. he did not "get off"
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You would be singing a very different tune if you were black.
    doubtful. contrary to popular liberal belief, the cops have better things to do than harass innocent law abiding black people.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    agreed, whatever your political lean, whoever you wish to blame. the truth is this guy will spend 20 to life in prison. he did not "get off"
    It's also worthwhile to keep in mind that he's most likely going to be doing his time in ADX Florence, which is basically solitary confinement. That **** ain't no picnic; it's the hardest of hard time.

    Just one more reason why the premise of this thread is stupid.

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