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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I have always found the whole "inadmissible evidence" to be a crock.

    are you any less of a drug dealer just because the cops didn't have a search warrant when they found 8 million $$$ of drugs in your house?

    are you any less guilty of murder because the cop forgot to read you your rights before you confessed?

    are you any less of a terrorist because they poured some water over your head to get you to confess?
    No...but if you allow those things to be used in court, then that's a pretty big incentive for cops to not get search warrants, to "forget" to read you your rights, and to pour water over your head to get you to confess.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I have always found the whole "inadmissible evidence" to be a crock.

    are you any less of a drug dealer just because the cops didn't have a search warrant when they found 8 million $$$ of drugs in your house?

    are you any less guilty of murder because the cop forgot to read you your rights before you confessed?

    are you any less of a terrorist because they poured some water over your head to get you to confess?

    people alway whine and cry about how the system sucks because sometimes an innocent person is convicted. how about all those times where some guilty POS is released due to some bull**** technicality?
    your feelings don't matter, evidence obtained by abuse is not admissable. bush allowed the abuse. we have laws, and we don't get to forego them because it's convenient.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Who said that? No one I saw.

    And if you'll take your own advice and read Chappy's statement, you'll find he's blaming Bush for these guys NOT being found guilty (implication being that they should have been), and that they'll remain in prison anyway, so anyone complaining about this shouldn't be.

    In other words (as I said in my post after I edited it), there was much pomp made of trying this guy (and all these guys) in a civilian court, all the while assurances are made that no matter what the outcome, they'll stay in prison.

    No, Jet, what actually HAPPENED was a "show trial." But apparently, for reasons I don't quite get because you don't have a stake in it, you don't see it that way because it's an Obama Administration show trial.
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    Well ****.

    I knew they weren't just gonna release them if they were found not guilty.

    Whatever. Do as you please America.

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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    The evidence was denied because it was not admissible in a civilian court.
    why not? please explain.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you tell me...you are the one claiming it's Bush's fault. the onus is on you to provide the proof, not ask me to speculate.
    are you obtuse?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I have always found the whole "inadmissible evidence" to be a crock.
    True, that's the major problem. Our civilian courts have abandoned the search for truth and justice in favor of procedural correctness.

    Attacks on our country should be tried in military courts where finding the truth is still a paramount consideration, particularly when the attacks are committed outside outside our national borders. I simply do not see any justification for granting these maniacs privileges or rights which we guarantee to our own citizens.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Tired, just finished a journey that started at 4:30 in the morning.

    Well ****.

    I knew they weren't just gonna release them if they were found not guilty.

    Whatever. Do as you please America.
    I don't please. I find it a mockery of justice. There's a perfectly viable, Congressionally-approved system of fair military trials where this should have been handled, and none of this would have been issue. But because Obama wanted to score political points, he insisted on this dog-and-pony show. It's a disgrace, and embarrasing as a free nation. If you're found not guilty in a criminal court, you walk. That's the way it works. This guy wasn't going to no matter what.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    my point is...that if there is no evidence against you...there will never be any "inadmissable evidence". make lawenforcement responsible for "mistakes" and there goes the incentive to pull shady crap.

    how many innocent guys confessed because no one told them they had the right to remain silent?

    how many innocent guys are in prison for selling drugs because an illegal (ie no warrant) seach DIDN'T find drugs in their possession?

    do you actually think the cops have time to waste harassing innocent civilians?
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    are you obtuse?
    the fact that the evidence was deemed inadmissible in no way proves, and I quote, "for certain" that is was Bush's fault.

    you made the claim back it up
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    my point is...that if there is no evidence against you...there will never be any "inadmissable evidence". make lawenforcement responsible for "mistakes" and there goes the incentive to pull shady crap.

    how many innocent guys confessed because no one told them they had the right to remain silent?

    how many innocent guys are in prison for selling drugs because an illegal (ie no warrant) seach DIDN'T find drugs in their possession?
    It's an argument which has raged for decades. It would put the burden of proof on the defendant to prove these violations took place, rather than put the burden on the government to show that the evidence was obtained cleanly. The burden should always be on the government.

    Inadmissibility is the most libertarian way to do it.

    do you actually think the cops have time to waste harassing innocent civilians?
    They sure do in airports, anyway.
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