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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It was the clown who left the WH two years ago who brought about the 284 not guilty verdicts by allowing Ghailani to be abused while in detention and thereby prevented critical evidence from being entered into court.

    And the judge, in rejecting the critical evidence, noted that Ghailani would likely remain in detention regardless of trial's outcome because of his enemy combatant status.

    Plus, the single guilty verdict that the jury did return carries with it a maximum sentence of 20 years. Some justice was rescued from the malfeasance of the Bush administration.

    But, more important, in a pre-trial judgment, the judge ruled that Ghailani could be tried despite having been abused while in custody.

    It won't be easy going forward with other defendants because evidence obtained under torture will be excluded, but, the precedent has been established that the Bush administration has not completely undermined the American justice system.
    Obama should prepare himself for a whole series of similar court defeats. No attorney in America is describing this verdict as anything other than a calamitous legal defeat. Only non-attys are characterizing this verdict as something they can live with.

    If the left wants to try these folks in US Courts then be prepared for acquittals in which the detainee is found innocent, but is still detained indefinitely. This will have a corrosive impact on the American criminal justice system and what remains of the American polity.

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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    I am so sick and tired of the same crap said over and over again:

    It's all Bush's fault!!!!.

    And the idiot that is in charge now is not responsible for anything.
    What a bunch of crap.
    this particular issue is bush's fault, that's certain.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What "show trials"?
    What i'm saying Harshaw, is should they just be found guilty?

    Even if the evidence is inadmissible to make all of you happy?

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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    this particular issue is bush's fault, that's certain.
    any actual evidence of that?
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    any actual evidence of that?
    On Wednesday, Ahmed Ghailani was found not guilty of all but one charge by a federal jury in New York. Ghailani was found guilty for only one charge of conspiracy to destroy government buildings. Ghailani dodged the over 280 charges of murder and terrorism, when several witnesses and evidence collected had to be denied admission in the trial. Evidence collected on the battlefield or in the intelligence gathering process was not permitted in the Ghailani trial.

    why was evidence denied?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What i'm saying Harshaw, is should they just be found guilty?

    Even if the evidence is inadmissible to make all of you happy?
    I have always found the whole "inadmissible evidence" to be a crock.

    are you any less of a drug dealer just because the cops didn't have a search warrant when they found 8 million $$$ of drugs in your house?

    are you any less guilty of murder because the cop forgot to read you your rights before you confessed?

    are you any less of a terrorist because they poured some water over your head to get you to confess?

    people alway whine and cry about how the system sucks because sometimes an innocent person is convicted. how about all those times where some guilty POS is released due to some bull**** technicality?
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What i'm saying Harshaw, is should they just be found guilty?

    Even if the evidence is inadmissible to make all of you happy?
    Who said that? No one I saw.

    And if you'll take your own advice and read Chappy's statement, you'll find he's blaming Bush for these guys NOT being found guilty (implication being that they should have been), and that they'll remain in prison anyway, so anyone complaining about this shouldn't be.

    In other words (as I said in my post after I edited it), there was much pomp made of trying this guy (and all these guys) in a civilian court, all the while assurances are made that no matter what the outcome, they'll stay in prison.

    No, Jet, what actually HAPPENED was a "show trial." But apparently, for reasons I don't quite get because you don't have a stake in it, you don't see it that way because it's an Obama Administration show trial.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    On Wednesday, Ahmed Ghailani was found not guilty of all but one charge by a federal jury in New York. Ghailani was found guilty for only one charge of conspiracy to destroy government buildings. Ghailani dodged the over 280 charges of murder and terrorism, when several witnesses and evidence collected had to be denied admission in the trial. Evidence collected on the battlefield or in the intelligence gathering process was not permitted in the Ghailani trial.

    why was evidence denied?
    you tell me...you are the one claiming it's Bush's fault. the onus is on you to provide the proof, not ask me to speculate.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    On Wednesday, Ahmed Ghailani was found not guilty of all but one charge by a federal jury in New York. Ghailani was found guilty for only one charge of conspiracy to destroy government buildings. Ghailani dodged the over 280 charges of murder and terrorism, when several witnesses and evidence collected had to be denied admission in the trial. Evidence collected on the battlefield or in the intelligence gathering process was not permitted in the Ghailani trial.

    why was evidence denied?
    The evidence was denied because it was not admissible in a civilian court.
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    Re: Terrorist found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    On Wednesday, Ahmed Ghailani was found not guilty of all but one charge by a federal jury in New York. Ghailani was found guilty for only one charge of conspiracy to destroy government buildings. Ghailani dodged the over 280 charges of murder and terrorism, when several witnesses and evidence collected had to be denied admission in the trial. Evidence collected on the battlefield or in the intelligence gathering process was not permitted in the Ghailani trial.

    why was evidence denied?

    There is not enough info in this article to make any kind of determination. I'd wait for some more thorough reportage.

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