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    Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    From Reuters:

    South Korea's peaceful "Sunshine Policy" toward North Korea failed, a government report has found, saying there have been no positive changes to Pyongyang's behavior despite a decade of mass aid and encouragement.

    Aid shipped to the North during the administrations of Kim Dae-jung and Roh Moo-hyun from 1998-2008 also failed to make a difference to the lives of destitute North Koreans, said the Unification Ministry white paper, seen by Reuters on Thursday.
    Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report | Reuters

    This development is not too surprising. The differences between the two Koreas are rooted in North Korea's ideology not economic disparities. That ideology, which is imposed in a suffocating and pervasive fashion, largely makes it impossible for credit/good will to be nurtured toward those who provide the assistance.

    If anything, North Korea, accustomed to receiving international assistance, has little incentive to change. Moreover, it has demonstrated a willingness and ability to resort to severe pressure to obtain aid.

    If, on the other hand, assistance were tied to gradual and steady basic reforms, beginning not with markets but a relaxation of the regime's ideological oppression via North Koreans' being permitted to gain information from outside the regime/regime's propaganda organs, there might be somewhat better prospects for improvements in the future. Even that process could be gradual.

    In the end, the international community would do well to consider the findings of this report before it heeds the UN's latest call to provide additional assistance to North Korea. Even as the UN's call concerns humanitarian assistance, North Korea's regime has had a long history of diverting that assistance to the country's military and other key sectors of society that support and sustain the regime, often despite the role NGOs have tried to play. Unless, access of the aid to civilians could reasonably be assured and it were assured the aid would not free up resources for the military/regime's supporters--assurances that would require a verification regime of sorts--the UN's requested aid would likely contribute to a propping up of the current regime, rather than materially providing for the humanitarian needs of North Korea's suffering people.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
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    Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report | Reuters

    This development is not too surprising. The differences between the two Koreas are rooted in North Korea's ideology not economic disparities. That ideology, which is imposed in a suffocating and pervasive fashion, largely makes it impossible for credit/good will to be nurtured toward those who provide the assistance.

    If anything, North Korea, accustomed to receiving international assistance, has little incentive to change. Moreover, it has demonstrated a willingness and ability to resort to severe pressure to obtain aid.

    If, on the other hand, assistance were tied to gradual and steady basic reforms, beginning not with markets but a relaxation of the regime's ideological oppression via North Koreans' being permitted to gain information from outside the regime/regime's propaganda organs, there might be somewhat better prospects for improvements in the future. Even that process could be gradual.

    In the end, the international community would do well to consider the findings of this report before it heeds the UN's latest call to provide additional assistance to North Korea. Even as the UN's call concerns humanitarian assistance, North Korea's regime has had a long history of diverting that assistance to the country's military and other key sectors of society that support and sustain the regime, often despite the role NGOs have tried to play. Unless, access of the aid to civilians could reasonably be assured and it were assured the aid would not free up resources for the military/regime's supporters--assurances that would require a verification regime of sorts--the UN's requested aid would likely contribute to a propping up of the current regime, rather than materially providing for the humanitarian needs of North Korea's suffering people.
    Its time the world cut aid to these countries that cont to abuse its citizens by the ruling class. The people of NK are starving while the a few people ruling the country are acting like royalty live the lifestyle of kings.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    Its time the world cut aid to these countries that cont to abuse its citizens by the ruling class. The people of NK are starving while the a few people ruling the country are acting like royalty live the lifestyle of kings.
    North Korea is changing. It's becoming a complete dependency of the People's Republic of China. Imo the idea of reunification of the Korean Peninsula will only happen if China consents to it. South Korea will have to accommodate China's interests if it wants any chance of reunification with the DPRK.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    From today's edition of The New York Times:

    North Korea showed a visiting American nuclear scientist earlier this month a vast new facility it secretly and rapidly built to enrich uranium, confronting the Obama administration with the prospect that the country is preparing to expand its nuclear arsenal or build a far more powerful type of atomic bomb.

    Whether the calculated revelation is a negotiating ploy by North Korea or a signal that it plans to accelerate its weapons program even as it goes through a perilous leadership change, it creates a new challenge for President Obama at a moment when his program for gradual, global nuclear disarmament appears imperiled at home and abroad. The administration hurriedly began to brief allies and lawmakers on Friday and Saturday — and braced for an international debate over the repercussions.


    This latest report further underscores the importance of tightening sanctions on North Korea and avoiding backdoor efforts to sustain the regime e.g., via the UN's recent call to provide additional assistance to North Korea.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    The Norks showed the visiting American scientist the new HEU facility in order to send a threatening meassage to the Bamster.

    The DPRK and PRC want Obama to return to the Six Party Talks because the Norks and the Han think they are in a superior bargaining position. They want Obama to make concessions of the sort Clinton and Bush made.

    Obama has refused to return to the Talks because he knows that NK and PRC have played Clinton and Bush for fools, and now want Obama to buy the same dead horse his predecessors paid for in full.

    America's position is currently weak. Never negotiate from a position of weakness. If you do, you end up getting rolled.

    What will Obama do? Based on his prior pattern of behavior he will return to the Six Party Talks, and pay a third time for the same dead horse. In doing so America will be paying tribute to North Korea in order to temporarily reduce the threat from the DPRK.

    That is the only realistic course of action available to a deeply divided America as it struggles to maintain it's power and influence in NE Asia.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    A collapse of North Korea would be a disaster don, and far worse than continuing to provide people with food. Good relations would naturally erode many of the restrictive measures you mention. The Sunshine Policy was very effective. If anything Lee Myung-Bak's stricter treatment of the North has prevented progress, though on some level it is due to changing internal dynamics in North Korea itself.
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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    The Sunshine Policy was a complete failure. The future of the Korean Peninsula will be determined in Beijing. The Sunshine Policy is irrelevant to the Chinese. There will be no reunification without accepting Chinese domination, and vassal state status. If the South Koreans are unwilling to accept Chinese suzerainty, they will be alone in the world. America needs to stay out of this.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Ok, let me see if I'm following here: being nice to the bad guys doesn't work?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    When the bad guys are stronger than you are you have a choice to either be nice to them or avoiding them completely.

    I'm suggesting that this isn't America's problem. We should avoid this entanglement completely. End the USA/ROK mutual defense treaty, withdraw USFK from the Peninsula, and bring the troops home.

    America will only weaken itself by fighting battles for other people. Besides, South Korea is an unreliable ally.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    A collapse of North Korea would be a disaster don, and far worse than continuing to provide people with food.
    Although I agree with this, I do not believe North Korea is anywhere close to collapse. Indeed, some of the pundits who have been regularly forecasting imminent regime collapse almost certainly have been going on little more than speculation given how insular North Korea is. That the country has survived major shocks including a mid-1990s famine that killed more than a million people indicates that it has some capabilities to deal with such issues, so while a collapse is possible down the road, I don't believe it is so imminent that increased pressure to deal with North Korea's nuclear program cannot be applied.

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