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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No doubt you are not American. What you say is partially true, but hardly the rule. And no one else infrastructure has problems...yeah right.
    There are more versions of America than either of us can count. I belong to one version, and you belong to another. The fact that we have nothing in common does not prevent either one of us from calling himself "American."

    The American public school system is in a state of slow motion collapse. Compare American students with students from around the world, and American children perform at third world levels.

    Other countries also have infrastructure problems, but none are so divided that they are incapable of acting to correct their problems.

    In my county in California back roads are being allowed to revert to the same condition they had in the era immediately after WWII because the money to repave them is diverted to public employee wages and benefits, etc.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    When the bad guys are stronger than you are you have a choice to either be nice to them or avoiding them completely.

    I'm suggesting that this isn't America's problem. We should avoid this entanglement completely. End the USA/ROK mutual defense treaty, withdraw USFK from the Peninsula, and bring the troops home.

    America will only weaken itself by fighting battles for other people. Besides, South Korea is an unreliable ally.
    Funny. That's what folks were saying in 1938. That didn't turn out so well for us.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Funny. That's what folks were saying in 1938. That didn't turn out so well for us.
    That was then. This is now.

    A united people can do almost anything. A divided people are well advised to be more circumspect. We live in a dishonest age, but on this subject we should not lie to ourselves. We are not the people we once were. It makes sense to avoid trouble. Besides, we can't have a small govt. if we have an empire.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    On the issue of North Korea's possible collapse, something I belive is quite unlikely in the near- and even medium-term, today's edition of The New York Times reported:

    They [State Department cables] also show that talk of the North’s collapse may be rooted more in hope than in any real strategy: similar predictions were made in 1994 when the country’s founder, Kim Il-sung, suddenly died, leaving his son to run the most isolated country in Asia. And a Chinese expert warned, according to an American diplomat, that Washington was deceiving itself once again if it believed that “North Korea would implode after Kim Jong-il’s death.”

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    That was then. This is now.

    A united people can do almost anything. A divided people are well advised to be more circumspect. We live in a dishonest age, but on this subject we should not lie to ourselves. We are not the people we once were. It makes sense to avoid trouble. Besides, we can't have a small govt. if we have an empire.
    Glad to see your pride in your country shining through.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Glad to see your pride in your country shining through.
    Not all Americans are my countrymen and women. Some versions of America want to transform other versions of America out of existence. I am proud of the peoples who fall within my vision of the American Community. I am not proud of the peoples who live here, but do not subscribe to my vision of the American Community.

    All visions and versions of America are equally valid. The problem is that many versions are hostile to other versions. I will not pretend that this is not true.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    Its time the world cut aid to these countries that cont to abuse its citizens by the ruling class. The people of NK are starving while the a few people ruling the country are acting like royalty live the lifestyle of kings.
    Just tell China, they're your ally, you feed them.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    That was then. This is now.

    A united people can do almost anything. A divided people are well advised to be more circumspect. We live in a dishonest age, but on this subject we should not lie to ourselves. We are not the people we once were. It makes sense to avoid trouble. Besides, we can't have a small govt. if we have an empire.
    What the hell are you talking about? We've always lived in a dishonest age, and we've never stayed the same. You have an uncanny gift for the obvious.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    ...We've always lived in a dishonest age, and we've never stayed the same. You have an uncanny gift for the obvious.
    What the hell are you talking about? You have an uncanny gift for stating conclusions without expressing the reasons underlying your conclusions.

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    Re: Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? You have an uncanny gift for stating conclusions without expressing the reasons underlying your conclusions.
    Tell me about honest times, and when we last stayed with way we were.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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