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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    This is war. This asshole was an illegal combatant. Our civilian court system was not built to deal with foreign terrorists. It was modeled to protect the Constitutional rights of Americans, which are far more extensive than those of illegal combatants. It is precisely why we have Military Commissions and Tribunals. Duh.


    If I wanted a conviction ? Look a post or two above this to be reminded how Holder guaranteed that KSM would be executed as the result of a civilian trial, and kept imprisoned regardless. I'm not the one looking for a railroad to execution here, much less guaranteeing one (do you not have a problem with Hoolder on that ?). But I do realize how civilian court process is not suited for this. Duh #2




    Speak no evil. See no evil. Hear no evil. Obama is a fail compared to his own rhetoric and oath. Regardless of paths not taken. Duh #3.
    Yawn … for this useless post.

    The American justice system has convicted the likes of the blind sheik, et al.; they are tucked away in our prison system to this day. Shame on you for senselessly attacking America and our way of life.
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Yawn … for this useless post.

    The American justice system has convicted the likes of the blind sheik, et al.; they are tucked away in our prison system to this day. Shame on you for senselessly attacking America and our way of life.
    Our Justice System has also let a lot of guilty folks walk. But that is not the issue here unless one is senseless

    The issue is the choice of format and venue. Are you saying that Military Tribunals and Commissions, as authorized by our Constitution and our Legislatures and our Executive Branch and our Judicial, is not a part of our "Justice System" ? Are the libtards here that naive ?

    Our civil courts are designed based on the Constitutional rights afforded our citizens, both the victim and the accused. Tribunals and Commissions are designed on the very limited Constitutionsl rights afforded enemey combatants, and because of their flexibility, treaty obligations found in such as the Geneva Conventions, where applicable. That someone acting as a terrorist might find themselves in the very unenviable position of being an "illegal combatant" within our system is their problem.

    Note how Obama, desptie all the election rhetoric, is now loathe to use the Civil Court system. Thanks for your useless post though

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Our Justice System has also let a lot of guilty folks walk. But that is not the issue here unless one is senseless

    The issue is the choice of format and venue. Are you saying that Military Tribunals and Commissions, as authorized by our Constitution and our Legislatures and our Executive Branch and our Judicial, is not a part of our "Justice System" ? Are the libtards here that naive ?

    Our civil courts are designed based on the Constitutional rights afforded our citizens, both the victim and the accused. Tribunals and Commissions are designed on the very limited Constitutionsl rights afforded enemey combatants, and because of their flexibility, treaty obligations found in such as the Geneva Conventions, where applicable. That someone acting as a terrorist might find themselves in the very unenviable position of being an "illegal combatant" within our system is their problem.

    Note how Obama, desptie all the election rhetoric, is now loathe to use the Civil Court system. Thanks for your useless post though
    So, you're saying rights only apply to some people. Ok.
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    The American justice system does not dispense justice solely to American citizens but to all persons under our nation's jurisdiction; our constitution and laws provide certain rights and opportunities to all those within the system.
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Yawn … for this useless post.

    The American justice system has convicted the likes of the blind sheik, et al.; they are tucked away in our prison system to this day. Shame on you for senselessly attacking America and our way of life.
    The Blind Sheik didn't murder anyone, either; and there was no question that he was going to die in prison.

    But, that's before the Keystone Cops took over the government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The American justice system does not dispense justice solely to American citizens but to all persons under our nation's jurisdiction; our constitution and laws provide certain rights and opportunities to all those within the system.
    You want to extend those rights to the very people who wish to destroy those rights. That's counter-productive.
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Personally, I see this as the incompetence of the Bush administration for using torture on these prisoners, and so tainting any confessions they have made.
    There was no torture.

    This isn't even "waterboarding isn't torture." He wasn't waterboarded.

    He wasn't tortured, AT ALL.

    If you believe he was, what was done to him, how, and when?
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Blind Sheik didn't murder anyone, either; and there was no question that he was going to die in prison.

    But, that's before the Keystone Cops took over the government.



    You want to extend those rights to the very people who wish to destroy those rights. That's counter-productive.
    I just love it when someone from the most liberal state in the country, one that has among the highest unemployment rates and is basically bankrupt telling anyone that disagrees with them how wrong they are. They should get their own house in order before telling the rest of us what is right or wrong in this country. Looks to me like the California results don't support their claims on any issue.

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Yawn … for this useless post.

    The American justice system has convicted the likes of the blind sheik, et al.; they are tucked away in our prison system to this day. Shame on you for senselessly attacking America and our way of life.

    Actually many Americans are dissatisfied with the way this case was handled and Islamic terrorism is an international problem, not one exclusive to the United States.
    So when the US botches up a case of this importance it effects everyone. OBL must be chortling in his cave.

    It seems that part of the decision at having this mass murderer tried in a civilian court was to show the world how transparent and wonderful the US Justice system was and that, with everyone admiring them, there would be less terrorism. Everyone would just love all that America represents.

    But now a mass murderer is found not guilty of mass murder and the innocent American public are being publicly fondled and personally prodded by the bureaucracy. Had the Obama administration been as keen on convicting mass murderers as they are on convicting the American public, by ignoring the "probable cause" statute, the United States would be seen as a serious nation. Now they are justifiably perceived as the weak horse, and that is dangerous for everyone.

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The American justice system does not dispense justice solely to American citizens but to all persons under our nation's jurisdiction; our constitution and laws provide certain rights and opportunities to all those within the system.
    And what a bunch of scmucks you are for that.

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    life in prison...yeah minor.
    Isn't it 20 yrs to life. Eric Holder said, "we can not fail", but trying them in civilian court makes it too easy to get off on technicalities. A military tribunal might have accepted the testimony of one of the witnesses that got kicked out in the civilian court. The military court has rules, of course, but it may have been harder to get off on all those counts.

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