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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    They brought more than 280 charges against the guy and only got a conviction on one minor one. Pretty pathetic no matter how you try to spin it.

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    224 of those charges were murder. Using the number of charges as a measure of success is really stupid.

    And in what universe is 20 years to life a "minor charge?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    One out of 280. Either our Justice department is exceedingly incompetent, or ......... our Justice Department is incredibly incompetent.

    But do you truly have confidence in using the civil system instead of the military tribunal process, because we were able to still get this assclown on one charge ? From where I sit, 1 is a lot closer to zero than it is to 280. You do understand that the rules of evidence in the tribunal process are far better tailored for both wartime conditions and for when folks are nabbed overseas where the process isn't quite as air-tight as it is here ?

    This is a fail by our DoJ. What a shock !
    "Better tailored" meaning "we don't really care as much about evidence or how its handled. Just roll with it."

    You'll excuse me if I prefer the other method.
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I don't see how convicting a guy on one count that will put him in prison for the rest of his life can be considered the US govt getting its ass handed to it.


    oooooh they cleared him of all counts but one....congratulations now get into your cell forever.
    Based on what do you believe he'll not get off lightly?

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    life in prison...yeah minor.
    Could be 20 years with good behavior he could get paroled much sooner

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    [QUOTE=Deuce;1059108062]224 of those charges were murder. Using the number of charges as a measure of success is really stupid.

    And in what universe is 20 years to life a "minor charge?"

    That would be the Universe where mass murder is not a death sentence.

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Eric Holder is a gambler. His bet hasn't paid off. Now his wings have been clipped.

    Obama will never close Gitmo, and Holder will suffer more defeats in federal court.
    Remember Holder and some of his people used to work for a firm that defended the detainees.
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Remember Holder and some of his people used to work for a firm that defended the detainees.
    I"m amazed that a post about prosecuting Bush gets @ 750 replies, but a mass murdering terrorist getting off lightly, not as much interest. See how they are?

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Remember Holder and some of his people used to work for a firm that defended the detainees.
    Yeah, and they're discovering that leftist ideology has no answers for dealing effectively with jihadis who fall into American custody.

    If Obama and Holder continue to attempt to use the federal criminal justice system with terrorists, the result will usually be unsatisfactory.

    If Obama and Holder use the military tribunal system they will discourage and demoralize their leftist supporters.

    That leaves only one course of action for Obama and Holder, i.e., say little to nothing and detain the terrorists indefinitely without trial.

    Obama and Holder have painted themselves into a corner. No one will help them extract themselves from their predicament.

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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    This guy could have been sent to the electric chair and people here would still be complaining because they're not lynching him first.
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    I"m amazed that a post about prosecuting Bush gets @ 750 replies, but a mass murdering terrorist getting off lightly, not as much interest. See how they are?
    Of course Bush is going to get more attention... with so many people hating his guts for the things he did while president. In part due to allowing the torture of detainees and starting a war that has left 100,000+ civilians killed.

    Anyways, it's easy for people like us outside the court to look at this and say, "what the hell? Only one charge?", but I'm sure the jury did not take this case lightly. They knew who they were dealing with. I am honestly surprised that the jury was so unbiased in their judgment. I'd think many people would automatically assume someone coming from Gitmo is guilty.

    But 20 years to life is no light sentence. It may be light considering what he was charged with, but he certainly didn't get off scott free.

    I'd be interested in finding out more about the evidence against him.
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    Re: Ex-Gitmo Detainee Ahmed Ghailani Cleared of All but One Charge in U.S. Embassy Bo

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    His guilt or innocence or how long he will be in prison is irrelevant. My point is that this is another indication of the incompetence of the Obama administration.

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    I fail to understand how you can blame Obama here, unless you are an attorney and really know the case, which I doubt. In fact, if you want to blame a president, blame the previous guy for torturing the key witness, which got the witness excluded from testifying..... that all said, its pretty academic as enough charges stuck to lock the guy up for life.
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