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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then I would suggest you actually read Post #14 and learn about the economic logic behind it, instead of just responding "So you agree with me?" when any moderately intelligent high schooler could tell from my response that I clearly did not, and gave my reasons WHY I did not.
    Maybe, if I were talking to someone with, at least, a high school mentality, I wouldn't have to say--for the third time--that the government can't replace private sector cash flow.

    If it could, the economy would have recovered a long time ago.
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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, by the same token, there is a a such-a-thing as too much government regulation.
    Absolutely.

    Now as for government spending and whether it can improve the economy or not, the answer is easily yes. An easy example is the interstate system, it was entirely funded by the government and vastly improved the speed of goods crossing the US and made that crossing cheaper.

    Another easy one is the Internet and information technology in general, now of course the government is not responsible for all information technology. However the Internet and some of the early technologies in that field came from the DoD.

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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Absolutely.

    Now as for government spending and whether it can improve the economy or not, the answer is easily yes. An easy example is the interstate system, it was entirely funded by the government and vastly improved the speed of goods crossing the US and made that crossing cheaper.

    Another easy one is the Internet and information technology in general, now of course the government is not responsible for all information technology. However the Internet and some of the early technologies in that field came from the DoD.
    How do you come that conclusion, when after more than a trillion dollars has been spent, in two years and the economy is still no better off and probably worse than it was?

    And, BTW, the interstate system was built for strategic and tactical reasons. You should have learned that at log pack school.
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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do you come that conclusion, when after more than a trillion dollars has been spent, in two years and the economy is still no better off and probably worse than it was?

    And, BTW, the interstate system was built for strategic and tactical reasons. You should have learned that at log pack school.
    Many economists think that the stimulus wasn't actually big enough. Plus, we have no idea how bad things would be if we hadn't had the stimulus.
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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    job creation? deficit cuts?

    we're not getting either

    Few Businesses Sprout, With Even Fewer Jobs - WSJ.com

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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do you come that conclusion, when after more than a trillion dollars has been spent, in two years and the economy is still no better off and probably worse than it was?

    And, BTW, the interstate system was built for strategic and tactical reasons. You should have learned that at log pack school.
    I can come to that conclusion for two reason:
    1) The question was can, not always, does government spending help the economy.
    2) I know that I shouldnt judge something on one example, something which you constantly fail to understand whether its Muslims or gov't spending, democrats, whatever. If you find one example of it going bad, suddenly anything associated with it has the same amount of guilt and is equally responsible.

    The interstate system was created for strategic and wartime purposes, so was the technology that led to the internet, however they've still contributed to economic growth in incalculable ways and there's no denying it.

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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do you come that conclusion, when after more than a trillion dollars has been spent, in two years and the economy is still no better off and probably worse than it was?
    Worse? How is 1.1 million new jobs worse? How is GM and Ford in much better positions worse? How is more banks lending worse?

    Tell me, why do you think $1 trillion less in aggregate demand over 2 years with higher taxes would produce better outcomes?

    Tell me, why do you think doing nothing to prop up banks when they had stopped interbank overnight lending would produce better outcomes?

    Tell me, why do you think no qualitative easing, which the market did approve of with direct stock gains, would have produced better outcomes?

    You have this condescending attitude towards those who disagree with you, but when pushed into technical issues, you totally flail around like a kid in a pool who never learned to swim.

    And, BTW, the interstate system was built for strategic and tactical reasons. You should have learned that at log pack school.
    Where did he say anything to show he did not know that? Seriously dude. Read a post for comprehension before replying.
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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    You cant spend your way to economic recovery. The government needs to stop the spending, cut taxes and nix alot of these regulations that make it a pain in the ass to start business to create jobs.

    U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows - Bloomberg
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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    You cant spend your way to economic recovery.
    China suggests otherwise. As does South Korea. Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan. Not to mention WWII.

    The government needs to stop the spending
    Which will reduce total net aggregate demand reducing jobs.

    cut taxes
    Which on a real level, effective marginal taxes are relatively low compared to industrial nations.

    nix alot of these regulations that make it a pain in the ass to start business to create jobs.
    Do you know how easy it is to start a business in the US? The problem seems more likely lack of financing and demand.
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    Re: U.S. Voters Prefer Job Creation Over Deficit Cuts, Poll Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Worse? How is 1.1 million new jobs worse? How is GM and Ford in much better positions worse? How is more banks lending worse?

    Tell me, why do you think $1 trillion less in aggregate demand over 2 years with higher taxes would produce better outcomes?

    Tell me, why do you think doing nothing to prop up banks when they had stopped interbank overnight lending would produce better outcomes?

    Tell me, why do you think no qualitative easing, which the market did approve of with direct stock gains, would have produced better outcomes?

    You have this condescending attitude towards those who disagree with you, but when pushed into technical issues, you totally flail around like a kid in a pool who never learned to swim.



    Where did he say anything to show he did not know that? Seriously dude. Read a post for comprehension before replying.
    Perhaps a better debate would be whether the government could have spent the $800 billion in a way to have a long term benefincial impact on our economy. For example if we had used money to more quickly put in place a network of natural gas refilling stations. This would allow people to sell cars feuled by nat gas which is produced here versus imported oil. We could have modernized our railroad track beds as to allow them to run high speed trains to better move product. Rail is much more energy efficient than trucks.

    So CAN government spending have favorable impacts, yes. But it seems our congress is not willing to pas this sort of legislation.

    It would also be great if they substituted this type of spending with spending e.g. defense that does us little good (in my view).

    I did not respond to the TARP comments because the money given to banks will be paid back with interest and profit so it was more a lona than an expense.

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