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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    A lot of people do not go to the dentist because they cant afford it correct?
    I don't know of anyone who can't afford it, and I'm living in a rather poor area at the moment. Dentists will charge whatever the local market will bear, and that goes for rich or poor areas.

    Dentists are not cheap, my last visit cost $400, a significant amount of money for some, a sum that many can not afford and will do without.
    But you could afford it and you went.
    Pets of owners who have the money to go to the vets will get care, those without money will do without.
    Then they might want to think twice about having pets.

    It is not a matter of personal choice if it is clearly unaffordable for them. It is a decision forced on them by a lack of resources. If they had the money and could afford, but choose not to use the service that would be a personal choice, rather then an imposed on
    If you can;t afford something, don't buy it. If you are desperate, borrow the money, look to your friends and family. We should not look around for worst case scenarios and then pass laws based on those possible scenarios.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't know of anyone who can't afford it, and I'm living in a rather poor area at the moment. Dentists will charge whatever the local market will bear, and that goes for rich or poor areas.



    But you could afford it and you went.
    Yes I can, I do know people who cant

    Then they might want to think twice about having pets.



    If you can;t afford something, don't buy it. If you are desperate, borrow the money, look to your friends and family. We should not look around for worst case scenarios and then pass laws based on those possible scenarios.
    Health care issues are generally worst case scenarios are they not. A hip replacement for an elderly person, a heart attack etc. Given that you live in a relatively poor area currently how many of them could afford an MRI, or a heart transplant if they required one?
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, Lord Tammerlain, budgeting is not rationing.

    Budgeting allows freedom of choice as to where we might spend our money, while rationing is imposed.
    That was nonsense. A budget imposes financial restrictions on allocation of resources. The virtually the same thing as rationing. The only difference is that rationing is generally allocated based on overall need where budgeting allows the same amount of resources to be divided not based on need. Both are imposed. budgeting is basically rationing.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes I can, I do know people who cant
    Yes, there are many things we can't afford in this world. That's why we have to act responsibly regarding the essentials.
    Health care issues are generally worst case scenarios are they not.
    No, they are not.
    A hip replacement for an elderly person, a heart attack etc.
    These are just a couple of many thousands of issues, from terminal cancer to a sprained ankle.
    Given that you live in a relatively poor area currently how many of them could afford an MRI, or a heart transplant if they required one?
    There is a young woman here (who in fact was in my English class) who recently lost her right leg due to cancer. It cost $13,000 to get an artificial leg and the community contributed toward the expense, including her air fare to the States to get it done.

    Regarding the MRI or heart transplant it could only be done privately. The public health system, unless you have the right connections, is available but terrible.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That was nonsense. A budget imposes financial restrictions on allocation of resources. The virtually the same thing as rationing. The only difference is that rationing is generally allocated based on overall need where budgeting allows the same amount of resources to be divided not based on need. Both are imposed. budgeting is basically rationing.
    A budget imposes financial restirctions? Tell that to Obama!

    If the Chinese stop lending, then the rationing will begin.

    If budgeting was rationing we wouldn't need both words!

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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A budget imposes financial restirctions? Tell that to Obama!
    People, organizations, and entities can always borrow to reduce their short term budgetary constraints. Your argument is weak.

    If the Chinese stop lending, then the rationing will begin.
    Wow....

    If budgeting was rationing we wouldn't need both words!
    Budgets refer to liquidity limits, where as rationing refers strictly to supply limits. Yet access to liquidity functions as a supply determinant; budgets have implicit supply limits where as rations are explicit supply limits.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    People, organizations, and entities can always borrow to reduce their short term budgetary constraints. Your argument is weak.
    You figure the US debt is short term?? It's almost $14 trillion, growing steadily, and a looming crisis. And despite ignoring any restrictions on spending, it's still called the US Budget, not the US Rationing. That might come next though.

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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You figure the US debt is short term??
    Not at all. Borrowing provides liquidity to continue funding government programs in the short term. Debt is normally a long term liability.

    It's almost $14 trillion, growing steadily, and a looming crisis. And despite ignoring any restrictions on spending, it's still called the US Budget, not the US Rationing. That might come next though.
    Did you bother reading the last part of my post?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Not at all. Borrowing provides liquidity to continue funding government programs in the short term. Debt is normally a long term liability.



    Did you bother reading the last part of my post?
    Yes, i did bother, in fact. What more do you want?

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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Yes, there are many things we can't afford in this world. That's why we have to act responsibly regarding the essentials.


    No, they are not.


    These are just a couple of many thousands of issues, from terminal cancer to a sprained ankle.


    There is a young woman here (who in fact was in my English class) who recently lost her right leg due to cancer. It cost $13,000 to get an artificial leg and the community contributed toward the expense, including her air fare to the States to get it done.

    Regarding the MRI or heart transplant it could only be done privately. The public health system, unless you have the right connections, is available but terrible.
    What type of cancer did the young woman have? Was it a type of cancer that could have been cured through chemotherapy or other treatments if caught early enough? If so does the region have the medical resources for private health care that would have caught the cancer early enough that her leg would not have had to be amputated?
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