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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The fly in the ointment is that Ireland followed the cuts recipe to the letter. They have, as said already, gone through a round of savage cuts, reviews, and wage reductions. Now they face more of the same. What price the USA, who triggered this disaster, escaping the results of their actions?
    Do European ever take responsibility for their actions? No.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

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    Do European ever take responsibility for their actions? No.
    Of course we do.. it is American's that dont... especially right wingers.. they cant admit even the slightest fault in anything.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

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    Of course we do.. it is American's that dont... especially right wingers.. they cant admit even the slightest fault in anything.
    Our president sucks.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The fly in the ointment is that Ireland followed the cuts recipe to the letter. They have, as said already, gone through a round of savage cuts, reviews, and wage reductions. Now they face more of the same. What price the USA, who triggered this disaster, escaping the results of their actions?
    Why not declare war on the United States? You might get another Marshall Plan when it's over.

    Ireland and the rest of the PIGS are the authors of their own misfortune, and still can't take responsibility for their own actions. They're like children. Drunken children.

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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    [QUOTE=Grant;1059117593]
    None yet, of course, but the Tea Party movement certainly is having an effect on those in Washington regarding spending. No such movement, apart from some small talk, exists in Europe. The will, and the access, just isn't there.
    What the hell are you smoking? Have you even been paying attention the last year? The only place there are cuts are in Europe lol.. Every country in Europe, even those with great economies are cutting in some way or another. The US has not cut anything (as in budget gone down) in 30+ years.

    As for the Tea Party.. it is having next to no effect so far as they are being blocked by the GOP regulars. The civil war in the GOP is going on and so far they are loosing. Even the new Paul in congress has folded on key issues and gone the typical big business GOP way. So much for having a spine. Instead the GOP is focusing on cutting a few million from the NPR and ruining future nuclear disarnment for domestic political pork and favours... pathetic attitude. The GOP is only thinking of one thing.. victory in 2 years and so what if the US goes down the tubes in the mean time. ..

    Sure, but these are forced cuts because they can't meet their obligations. In the USA t's the people who are trying t force the government to spend less.
    Hog wash. All countries but a few can meet their obligations. Greece lied about its economic situation and was punished. Ireland had a right wing government that let the banks run amok and are now forced to bail them out.... much like what the UK and US had to do with some of its banks. Only difference is that in the Irish case, it was ALL major banks that had drunk the funny juice and participated in the building boom in Ireland. Rest of Europe are doing just fine, and in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.. very very well. Most countries have far less deficits than say the US and UK, and much less debt loads than that of the UK and US.

    they haven't even been sworn in yet. What can you expect?
    Like that will change anything. The GOP has sat on its ass for a decade and that aint gonna change any time soon... a few token Tea Party members who have no power.. yea right. Even Michelle the wacko Backmann is being marginalised big time.. and wasting tax payer money. Funny how she can spend several thousand dollars moving her office 2 doors down.. for the same amount of space. Thats fiscal responsibility for you.. right wing style.

    No, it's not. They've already said so,
    And they have said the opposite as well.. the GOP cant make up its mind. And as long as it is words and no action or even plans on paper.. then it is just a bunch of more hot air.

    In fact they said they're going to look at ALL programs.

    The real biggy will be closing Obamacare, or it will become one of those huge sacrosanct programs as well, that no one can ever touch.That's just the way it goes, and I think many Americans are starting to understand that.
    Will never ever happen and you are living in a dream world. The Tea Party has no power in the new congress, and like it or not the Dems can block any hair brain (thank god) idea the tea party tries to push through. And the Tea Party and the GOP will never ever ever touch the military budget. Sure cut a program here and there, and save a few bucks.. but really change things.. never. As for going after Obamacare.. good luck on that.. then again making things more expensive and profitable for the GOP backers is the only reason they are there right?

    The GOP has no backbone what so ever to be actual fiscal conservatives and it has not had that since Goldwater.... which explains why the US is in the hole they are in now.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Our president sucks.
    Eh? It is your president that is at fault for bringing up the debt from under 1 trillion to 10 trillion before he even was elected to office? What on earth are you smoking since it must be some good stuff.

    No it is your congress that sucks and the corporatist system... a system that is run mostly by the right.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why not declare war on the United States? You might get another Marshall Plan when it's over.

    Ireland and the rest of the PIGS are the authors of their own misfortune, and still can't take responsibility for their own actions. They're like children. Drunken children.
    What on earth are you babbling about? Greece has taken responsibility for its problems.. Ireland fully admits that its banking system was not regulated well enough and doing a 100% guarantee on it was a bad idea. As for the rest of Europe..pick a country and lets discuss it. The only country not admitting anything is run by a radical right wing fascist.. that is Italy.. but then again Italy has always been a sick country and it still is around.
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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    [QUOTE=PeteEU;1059117891][QUOTE=Grant;1059117593]
    What the hell are you smoking? Have you even been paying attention the last year? The only place there are cuts are in Europe lol.. Every country in Europe, even those with great economies are cutting in some way or another. The US has not cut anything (as in budget gone down) in 30+ years.
    Hence the Tea Party movement.
    As for the Tea Party.. it is having next to no effect so far as they are being blocked by the GOP regulars.
    The Tea Party supporters have not even taken their oath and have already had an effect. Best worry about your PIIGS.

    The civil war in the GOP is going on and so far they are loosing. Even the new Paul in congress has folded on key issues and gone the typical big business GOP way. So much for having a spine. Instead the GOP is focusing on cutting a few million from the NPR and ruining future nuclear disarnment for domestic political pork and favours... pathetic attitude. The GOP is only thinking of one thing.. victory in 2 years and so what if the US goes down the tubes in the mean time. ..
    It would be smarter to wait until these new members are sworn in before claiming its a failure.
    Hog wash. All countries but a few can meet their obligations. Greece lied about its economic situation and was punished. Ireland had a right wing government that let the banks run amok and are now forced to bail them out.... much like what the UK and US had to do with some of its banks. Only difference is that in the Irish case, it was ALL major banks that had drunk the funny juice and participated in the building boom in Ireland. Rest of Europe are doing just fine, and in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.. very very well. Most countries have far less deficits than say the US and UK, and much less debt loads than that of the UK and US.
    That's just great news!
    Like that will change anything. The GOP has sat on its ass for a decade and that aint gonna change any time soon... a few token Tea Party members who have no power.. yea right. Even Michelle the wacko Backmann is being marginalised big time.. and wasting tax payer money. Funny how she can spend several thousand dollars moving her office 2 doors down.. for the same amount of space. Thats fiscal responsibility for you.. right wing style.
    Good to see you have your priorities in order! Americans could use more European advice!

    And they have said the opposite as well.. the GOP cant make up its mind. And as long as it is words and no action or even plans on paper.. then it is just a bunch of more hot air.
    You're absolutely right, Peu


    Will never ever happen and you are living in a dream world. The Tea Party has no power in the new congress, and like it or not the Dems can block any hair brain (thank god) idea the tea party tries to push through. And the Tea Party and the GOP will never ever ever touch the military budget. Sure cut a program here and there, and save a few bucks.. but really change things.. never. As for going after Obamacare.. good luck on that.. then again making things more expensive and profitable for the GOP backers is the only reason they are there right?
    You're really on a roll! Wherever do you get these insights??

    The GOP has no backbone what so ever to be actual fiscal conservatives and it has not had that since Goldwater.... which explains why the US is in the hole they are in now/
    Yeah, but he was one of those darned right wingers.

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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What on earth are you babbling about? Greece has taken responsibility for its problems.. Ireland fully admits that its banking system was not regulated well enough and doing a 100% guarantee on it was a bad idea. As for the rest of Europe..pick a country and lets discuss it. The only country not admitting anything is run by a radical right wing fascist.. that is Italy.. but then again Italy has always been a sick country and it still is around.
    So the acronym now should be II rather than PIIGS? What about the P and S? Please let us know of any official acronym changes.

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    Re: Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

    to their credit, many if not most of the eu countries have, since the last terrifying public collapse in greece in april, taken draconian steps

    EU takes nuclear option to protect European project - The Irish Times - Tue, May 11, 2010

    of course, the overweening elements of progressivism over there haven't taken it very well

    France braces itself for another week of protests as Sarkozy believes he has turned corner - Telegraph

    French strikers, marchers defy Sarkozy on pensions - The West Australian

    Sarkozy stands firm as pension protests escalate - Europe, World - The Independent

    AFP: France strikes again as pension reform enters crunch week

    TUITION FEES PROTEST: Anarchists cause chaos as 50k students take to streets | Mail Online

    Student tuition fee protest turns violent as Tory headquarters evacuated - Telegraph

    Thousands protest against looming cuts

    Greek riots: Up to 60,000 people take to streets to protest against government | Mail Online

    it's all so predictable

    the word in europe is---austerity

    and it's hegelian, ie, physical and natural reaction, on the pavement, is---protest

    in other words, there are problems and there are solutions

    germany points the way

    german unemployment hits 18 year low

    but the greeks gripe

    Greece, Germany Grapple Over Debt - WSJ.com

    as for america, we took a big step in merkel's direction on tsunami tuesday

    one would have to be blind and insensitive to currents not to perceive the precipitous redirection of battleship america on november 2

    over here, we'll have to look at the same things the euro's are dealing with on the other side of the atlantic, and we'll start with PUBLIC PENSIONS

    at the city, county, state and federal level

    you couldn't know vallejo, CA, which is 10 miles or so from my home

    well, maybe you could if the sindy picked it up---it was pretty famous

    City of Vallejo goes bankrupt after property crash hits taxes - Business News, Business - The Independent

    in vallejo it's all about police and fire, ie, P-E-N-S-I-O-N-S

    of course the valley just beyond the foot of the benicia bridge, home to the fabled mothball fleet, is merely case study

    Study: California Public Pensions Underfunded by Over $500B - California Healthline

    California public pensions underfunded | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times

    i could deliver you links pointing to equal crises facing the overpromised and underfunded mandates self imposed by the commonwealths of florida, new york, illinois

    the tea party is so prepubescent it isn't even a party

    but it's powerfully taking shape in john boehner's and eric cantor's republican caucus

    you are quite wrong about the tea party and its influence on the party of no

    the freshmen are focefully forging a path

    Newbies among House GOP leaders - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

    House GOP touts its new team - Jake Sherman and Marin Cogan - POLITICO.com

    GOP rookies flex their muscles - Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

    John Boehner offers sweeteners to tea party - Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

    Meet the House GOP's insta-stars - Kasie Hunt - POLITICO.com
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