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Yeah right.

Christianity is as toxic to Africa as Islam. Both religions were brought to Africans through colonialism, war, force and slavery. Not choice.
If both religions were never in Africa. I am certain Africa would be better off

Christianity was NOT brought to Ethiopia by any of those methods. King Ezana converted the kingdom of Axum to Christianity peacefully...
 
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Why is AIDs higher in Christian dominated regions than Muslims? It couldn't be because it is Catholic Christian policy to spread that condoms should not be used. Sentencing basically Africans to death

My ancestors were not Muslim by choice, it was a religion that brought to us by the Arabs. Majority of Africa was not Christian by choice. It was something brought by the colonial powers spreading their views and in the process destroying Africa's owns beliefs whilst of course indulging in slavery on the side.

I honestly think Africa would have been better off if none of the religions were brought over

No, aids is rampant in Africa because of sexual immorality and tribal rituals. Regardless, the Catholics are screwed up on their views regarding contraception and doesn't reflect the rest of Christianity. So the good that missionaries do and the aid Christians send over is bad? From a Spiritual perspective I think it's vital to spread God's Word.
 
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No, aids is rampant in Africa because of sexual immorality and tribal rituals. Regardless, the Catholics are screwed up on their views regarding contraception and doesn't reflect the rest of Christianity. So the good that missionaries do and the aid Christians send over is bad? From a Spiritual perspective I think it's vital to spread God's Word.

I think Catholicism is a death sentence to Africa with it's views on Condoms.

Do you know why Muslim countries, even those like Somalia has next to no AID epidemic? Guess. It's because we sell condoms.
Even when I was in East Africa, the Aids awareness promoted abstinence, loyalty and finally and most importantly. Contraception

Spiritual from who's perspective? Africa had its own native beliefs. We had our worships across the continent that was ours not something imposed.
I think if Christianity and Islam never came to Africa, Africa would have been better off. Many wars in the region is happening because of religion. Christianity and Islam divide to be more specific. That is not even taking into account the slavery and the use of holy text to justify and explain away why Blacks were inferior and slavery was acceptable.
 
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Christianity was NOT brought to Ethiopia by any of those methods. King Ezana converted the kingdom of Axum to Christianity peacefully...

Ethiopia is not all of Africa.

To try and attempt to deny that both Christianity and Islam was brought by colonialism and war does not work
 
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I think Catholicism is a death sentence to Africa with it's views on Condoms.

Do you know why Muslim countries, even those like Somalia has next to no AID epidemic? Guess. It's because we sell condoms.
Even when I was in East Africa, the Aids awareness promoted abstinence, loyalty and finally and most importantly. Contraception

Spiritual from who's perspective? Africa had its own native beliefs. We had our worships across the continent that was ours not something imposed.
I think if Christianity and Islam never came to Africa, Africa would have been better off. Many wars in the region is happening because of religion. Christianity and Islam divide to be more specific. That is not even taking into account the slavery and the use of holy text to justify and explain away why Blacks were inferior and slavery was acceptable.

So it's solely based on condoms? Consider this, Egypt is roughly 40% Christian and they also have one of the lowest aids rates in Africa. Also Haiti is a country that is poorer than most African nations and is largely Catholic. Their aids rate was around 5% for people aged 18-50 and has gone down to roughly 2% due to education about the disease and prevention.

From a spiritual perspective I believe as a Christian that having faith and forgiveness in Christ is the only way to go to heaven. Without the religions you would still have wars, there was tribal warfare going on constantly.
 
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So it's solely based on condoms? Consider this, Egypt is roughly 40% Christian and they also have one of the lowest aids rates in Africa. Also Haiti is a country that is poorer than most African nations and is largely Catholic. Their aids rate was around 5% for people aged 18-50 and has gone down to roughly 2% due to education about the disease and prevention.

From a spiritual perspective I believe as a Christian that having faith and forgiveness in Christ is the only way to go to heaven. Without the religions you would still have wars, there was tribal warfare going on constantly.

No of course not, but I do believe condom policy by Catholics has a adverse affect on areas of Africa. If only Catholicism can be replaced with a more sane form of Christianity

Ah yes but at least we'd be fighting about our own native tribal views rather than something forced on us. I don't see any good that Islam and Christianity has done to Africa but sadly perhaps, even as a religious person. Both religions are too deeply entrenched in Africa to be removed even if I think in the long run it is poisonous.
 
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I have no problem bashing Muslims, just as liberals typically bash Christians.

Why? Because "Muslim" isn't a race, but a religious point of view.

Not to mention it's a primitive one at that---even the less violent forms of Islam.
 
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No of course not, but I do believe condom policy by Catholics has a adverse affect on areas of Africa. If only Catholicism can be replaced with a more sane form of Christianity
Ah yes but at least we'd be fighting about our own native tribal views rather than something forced on us. I don't see any good that Islam and Christianity has done to Africa but sadly perhaps, even as a religious person. Both religions are too deeply entrenched in Africa to be removed even if I think in the long run it is poisonous.

If Africans followed Catholic teaching in their entirety, there would not BE an AIDS problem...
 
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I have no problem bashing Muslims, just as liberals typically bash Christians.

Why? Because "Muslim" isn't a race, but a religious point of view.

Not to mention it's a primitive one at that---even the less violent forms of Islam.

Do you say the same about Jews? Lots of crazy, violent stuff in that book of theirs. Surely you must also have no problem bashing Jews.
 
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Do you say the same about Jews? Lots of crazy, violent stuff in that book of theirs. Surely you must also have no problem bashing Jews.

Nice try.

Jews, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, and such don't live in the 7th bloody century with a little book of hate. They aren't primitive, or force their women to wear black garb.

I'm not as seasoned in debate as others, but even I find your rebuttal to be grasping at the wind.
 
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I hate religion!
 
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I understand your desire to be a voice of reason in this. I honestly do. Emotional clashes among religions is historically ugly.

But this notion that many try to put forth that the radical portion of Islam is a small segment simply isn't true (not that you are). That segment is about 1/4 of the religion and it dominates the actions, and in this case court system, of not only that faith, but many of the countries it resides within.

To many Christians, this is the result of worshiping false gods. But even in the secular world, it is undeniable the good works of the Christian faith in the world today, as compared to the militaristic intimidiation of, and the inferiority of, the Islamic faith. I look for good in Islam, and I simply don't see it.

You probably wouldn't be able to recognize a non radical Muslim if you saw one
 
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And how many Muslims are speaking out against the execution of a Christian, who simply spoke against Mohammed?

They are implicit in their inaction.

How many Catholics are speaking out against every single act of pedophilia? It looks like the church is protecting child molesters.

All Catholics love pedophilia!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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How many Catholics are speaking out against every single act of pedophilia? It looks like the church is protecting child molesters.

All Catholics love pedophilia!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, large numbers of Catholics have from individual parishs to large lay organizations as well as the Church and clergy themselves... Like to lie about other faiths much?
 
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Actually, large numbers of Catholics have from individual parishs to large lay organizations as well as the Church and clergy themselves... Like to lie about other faiths much?

A little girl was murdered and raped here, and the local Catholic Church didn't condemn it.. Not to mention the priests in the Catholic Church are just moved around and not kicked out of the church, so it appears the Catholic Church harbors pedophiles. They are like the Taliban of child molesters.
 
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Muslims should stand up and speak out against this barbarity and not call it "Muslim bashing" unless it is an accepted part of their religion.

If it accepted they should be "bashed". If it is not let's have an airing.

It is an accepted part of their religion. For them to speak out is to condemn their religion down to it's foundation. To speak out against fellow Muslims is often blasphemy and a rejection of the Prophet Mohammed. I just don't think you can be in a religion based on the teachings of a radical, violent and extreme prophet and avoid being labeled the same. I don't think it is possible to be a truly peaceful Muslim because then you aren't one anymore.
 
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It is an accepted part of their religion. For them to speak out is to condemn their religion down to it's foundation. To speak out against fellow Muslims is often blasphemy and a rejection of the Prophet Mohammed. I just don't think you can be in a religion based on the teachings of a radical, violent and extreme prophet and avoid being labeled the same. I don't think it is possible to be a truly peaceful Muslim because then you aren't one anymore.

Absolutely rubbish.

Condemning violence and ignorance by Muslims does not go against any foundation of Islam. The foundations of Islam is the 5 pillars of Islam and 6 articles of faith.
 
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Muslims aren't tolerant. Even the nonviolent ones. Unless, of course, we talk of people who call themselves Muslims yet really aren't. Sort of like Evangelicals; they call themselves Christians yet are utterly tolerant of sins the Bible is against.
 
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Muslims aren't tolerant. Even the nonviolent ones. Unless, of course, we talk of people who call themselves Muslims yet really aren't. Sort of like Evangelicals; they call themselves Christians yet are utterly tolerant of sins the Bible is against.

..... Muslims have intolerance yes but there are many tolerant Muslims as well.
I don't care what Evangelicals call themselves, not my business but a Muslim is one who believes in the shahadah and pillars.
 
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Muslims believe in violent and barbarous things (the extremist ones). Muslims (nonviolent ones) also believe in the lesser yet still primitive things, such as treating their women as 2nd-class citizens and having dominion over women. Now, I'm not a feminist or any of that extreme nonsense, but still---I don't like seeing women treated as such. They should be equal. No more, no less. (That's just a personal tangent.)
 
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Muslims believe in violent and barbarous things (the extremist ones). Muslims (nonviolent ones) also believe in the lesser yet still primitive things, such as treating their women as 2nd-class citizens and having dominion over women. Now, I'm not a feminist or any of that extreme nonsense, but still---I don't like seeing women treated as such. They should be equal. No more, no less. (That's just a personal tangent.)
That is true of Muslim dominated cultures, but it is not true of enlightened Muslims (who have a voice only in the more tolerant western cultures). The Muslim community needs more people like this guy.
 
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