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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I was replying to Americans post, which is basically if I come in and say, that you shouldn't paint all muslims with the same Brush, I'm accused of "Supporting Sharia Law and perhaps later on terrorism".

    I think what has happened here is barbaric.

    But if you're gonna turn this thread into another Muslim bashing episode, I want no part in it.
    My point was that those who support Sharia Law in the US, as even a subordinate law, need to take heed of this.
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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Muslims should stand up and speak out against this barbarity and not call it "Muslim bashing" unless it is an accepted part of their religion.

    If it accepted they should be "bashed". If it is not let's have an airing.
    There are a very few, but they are in the overwhelmingly vast minority. I'm sure there is a segment that stay quiet out of fear, but that speaks even more to this so-called faith we tap-dance around.

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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    There are a very few, but they are in the overwhelmingly vast minority. I'm sure there is a segment that stay quiet out of fear, but that speaks even more to this so-called faith we tap-dance around.
    I'm thinking it's more of people tired of apologizing for something they didn't do.

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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Well this is the real problem with theocracy. It's never a fair system in which the rights of the individual are considered. This is why secular government is the best way to go.
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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I was replying to Americans post, which is basically if I come in and say, that you shouldn't paint all muslims with the same Brush, I'm accused of "Supporting Sharia Law and perhaps later on terrorism".

    I think what has happened here is barbaric.

    But if you're gonna turn this thread into another Muslim bashing episode, I want no part in it.
    While stopping short of saying they support Sharia Law outright, there are any number of people whose knee jerk reactions to threads such as these involve false moral equivalencies that typically take one of two forms (or sometimes both). They either point out some nutty modern day Christians who express various harsh views -- a lame attempt that fails to take into account the percentage of Christians actually holding these views not to mention failing to rise to the level as is being addressed, namely, the actually killing of people. The other ruse is to point out some naughty things Christians did in the distant past -- as if the world had entered some bizarre rift in the time-space continuum, and we are somehow not all living in the present day world.

    Sophistry such as this is extremely predictable, there are countless examples of such in other threads, and the nature of the apologia is such that people are defending practices that they would not defend if such practices arose from "our" group rather than "their group". It may not be support for Sharia outright, but it is certainly apologia that acts to create false equivalencies.
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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Why is this in the breaking news section? When its not breaking news, since it more to do with Religion than anything. And I agree with Jet, since I DEFEND Muslims like Laila who don't act like the ones in the OP and somehow I get called a terrorist supporter it just ridiculous.

    However, I don't support what the people in the OP did in fact they are the people I fight against, since I know they twist Islam in to a their own perversion of Islam. I also love the fact that the people in the OP seem, and also some posters on this bored seem to forget this little line of the Quran.

    "Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians...and (all) who believe in God and the last day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." The Qur'an, 2:62
    And also this line from the Hadith "If anyone harms (others), God will harm him, and if anyone shows hostility to others, God will show hostility to him."
    And also this little quotation from the Quran
    "O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous." Chapter 49, Verse 13
    "God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact God loves the equitable." Chapter 60, Verse 8

    "And what will explain to you what the steep path is? It is the freeing of a (slave) from bondage; or the giving of food in a day of famine to an orphan relative, or to a needy in distress. Then will he be of those who believe, enjoin fortitude and encourage kindness and compassion." Chapter 90, Verses 12-17

    "Show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant." Chapter 7, Verse 199
    Note: these are the English translations of the verse of the Qur'an. However Laila can correct me on some of the verses, if I am wrong.

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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I'm thinking it's more of people tired of apologizing for something they didn't do.
    And how many Muslims are speaking out against the execution of a Christian, who simply spoke against Mohammed?

    They are implicit in their inaction.

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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Why is this in the breaking news section? .
    Because it happened recently and the link provided is to a news source.
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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And how many Muslims are speaking out against the execution of a Christian, who simply spoke against Mohammed?

    They are implicit in their inaction.
    Please, do tell how you know what relgion people are on this fourm, if they don't say they are people who support Islam, or Chirstantiny, or if they are Jewish unless they say they are. Oh and guess what I am an Atheist, and I defend all relgions from the ingorent who demonzie people they know nothing about, and they get their infomation from talking heads.

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    Re: Bad Time To Be A Christian

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I was replying to Americans post, which is basically if I come in and say, that you shouldn't paint all muslims with the same Brush, I'm accused of "Supporting Sharia Law and perhaps later on terrorism".

    I think what has happened here is barbaric.

    But if you're gonna turn this thread into another Muslim bashing episode, I want no part in it.
    If atrocities are being committed under the name of Islam and no Muslims are speaking out against it then Muslims become a part of the problem and not part of the solution.

    And as Islam is an ideology, what's wrong with being critical? All ideologies and beliefs should stand up to public scrutiny. There is nothing special whatsoever that would exclude Islam.

    Islam and many of its adherents are a serious problem in the world and this problem should be discussed openly. Calling it "bashing" implies that we should have sympathy for Muslims, and that should never be the case. They are not a special case and never have been. They should be held to the same standards as everyone else.

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