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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Can I just say I find the partisan hack hyperbole hillarious in the past few posts.

    YAY! I apparenlty don't know the constitution and know it because I'm a Tea Partier. Wonderful how idiotic over generalizations work.


    I know. I mean you and I don't see eye to eye on this airport scanner thing, but then a dood comes in admits ignorance, searches wiki, finds something that only addresses half his point, then calls us tea party folk ignorant of the constitution?


    You can't make this stuff up my friend.
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Can I just say I find the partisan hack hyperbole hillarious in the past few posts.

    YAY! I apparenlty don't know the constitution and know it because I'm a Tea Partier. Wonderful how idiotic over generalizations work.
    Actually, there is a survey of tea party members and they did show a lack of understanding of the constitution, as did their candidates. So, I don't see the gneral statement as hyperbole. But any individual may well be knowledgeable.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I know. I mean you and I don't see eye to eye on this airport scanner thing, but then a dood comes in admits ignorance, searches wiki, finds something that only addresses half his point, then calls us tea party folk ignorant of the constitution?


    You can't make this stuff up my friend.
    YOu misread, yet again. I took a genral overview source, and it cited the SCOTUS. They ruled on the constitutionality of what J and I were discussing. When you can actually follow a conversation, let me know.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, there is a survey of tea party members and they did show a lack of understanding of the constitution, as did their candidates. So, I don't see the gneral statement as hyperbole. But any individual may well be knowledgeable.


    And some like you, not....
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    YOu misread, yet again. I took a genral overview source, and it cited the SCOTUS. They ruled on the constitutionality of what J and I were discussing. When you can actually follow a conversation, let me know.



    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sorry, can't view videos on this computer.
    Awww....Too bad, it was a report of a TSA guy being arrested for walking through the airport saying he was God, and he was in charge.

    Ahh, J-Mac thinks something stupid about me. Let me go worry myself over it now. Sad face
    Nah, I don't, really. But you do obviously about me, and from the slew of wonderful insults in previous postings in this thread, not just about me either, but rather those that disagree with you. It is a shame.

    And I'm sure the AMAZING minds at "The Blaze" took the time to stop and think that elderly people are the most likely grouping of individuals to have various types of medical devices that make going through metal detectors worthless and thus have to be searched by hand due to this fact, right?
    Well, ain't that special? Grandmom trying to board a plane to see the kiddies for Christmas and she gets groped at every boarding....Merry Christmas Grandma, welcome to hell.

    The only "random searches" I am aware of that would be authorized is I believe at a time they were having every "nth" person selected for additional screening. This is significantly different than randomly and arbitrarily choosing someone on the highway to pull over as the ONLY person to give ANY kind of search to. This is a set number, with the individual not being chosen by the person searching but by an algorithim that predetermines people based on numbers. A far cry different than a cop just pulling someone over at some point and deciding to give them a search for the hell of it. And, here I'm going to shock you, its a practice I actually think is wrong and one that does fall outside the scope of what should be allowable.
    Ok, but I guess what gets me, is that one being allowed, leads at some point to the other becoming common practice. Remember Rham's advice to Barry, "Never let a crisis go to waste."

    Shocker, I know, that some poeple are actually able to look at things objectively and not just in a black and white "good or bad" as a whole type of way.
    And some people are able to disagree and still have a conversation. What do ya say we start over and drop the back handed slaps at each other?

    Wonderful, I disagree with her. They should get the same kind of pat down as everyone else. And by the way, EVERYONE has the right to refuse the full body scan and get a pat down in private. Your point?
    My point is that we are wasting valuable resource treating everyone in America like criminals.

    Again, you seem to think that everything is black and white and if you dare actually agree with something you must agree with ALL of it.
    That is simply untrue. Now let's not start this, you just accused me of misrepresenting.

    Which is rather funny since the ACLU was saying the exact same thing about almost identical searches since 2004 and I never heard this much outrage from republicans. On the contrary I often heard defenses of it. Funny that.
    Hmmmm, might you have a quote from me on that from 2004?

    That by "Zyph's logic you'd be subject to search without warrant on them", which is a strawman built up from the non-existant attribute you placed on my posts that somehow I was suggesting that the ONLY issue was federal ownership of land and that somehow I was suggesting there's a direct analog between the air transit system and the highway system.
    Do precedents have unintended consequences ever?

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Awww....Too bad, it was a report of a TSA guy being arrested for walking through the airport saying he was God, and he was in charge.
    Wait, you mean one person acted like an idiot and got arrested? Yes, that clearly shows that's what everyone really thinks in private. I'm sure you figure every military individual should be judged by the handful of lunatics that make news as well, right?

    Well, ain't that special? Grandmom trying to board a plane to see the kiddies for Christmas and she gets groped at every boarding....Merry Christmas Grandma, welcome to hell.
    Appeal to emotion

    Ok, but I guess what gets me, is that one being allowed, leads at some point to the other becoming common practice. Remember Rham's advice to Barry, "Never let a crisis go to waste."
    Slippery slope

    My point is that we are wasting valuable resource treating everyone in America like criminals.
    And your alternative is...? Simply profiling, which the SCOTUS has actually found unconstitutional? Something like El Al alone? Which is completely unproven on such an astronomically larger scale and could end up being an even LARGER waste of resources?

    Hmmmm, might you have a quote from me on that from 2004?
    Sure, from post 823 in this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin
    2004 - ACLU: Airport frisks are invitation to sexual harassment

    Funny line in that one:

    Even those who pass successfully though metal detectors and appear unsuspicious may be subject to an intrusive pat-down in sensitive body areas, including breasts, genitals, and buttocks.

    The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) began allowing full-body frisks when it revamped its screening tests on Sept. 22 to ensure passenger safety. Since then, about a dozen complaints are filed each week regarding screening misconduct, many from women who feel they were groped.
    Oh, and as a fun note, these body scanners didn't come about when Obama or his people were in control

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin
    Oh, what about 2007, when that Bush guy was still in office. There were these things beginning to roll out and test new airline passenger screening machines called "millimeter-wave passenger imaging technology"....or as people keep calling it now "naked scanners".
    Do precedents have unintended consequences ever?
    At times yes, however suggesting "My logic" was stating what you stated was implying and attributing far more factors to the situation to misrepresent what I actually said so you could then beat up on said misrepresentation. Strawman.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    For example, I don't think its "unreasonable" to search people going into a federal court house. I think anything more than a metal detector and maybe a quick x-ray machine of what you're bringing in would likely be "unreasonable" as there's little true nationally severe damage one can do in a local federal court room. If it was a major case of a high ranking terrorist with there being chatter that there may be action taken there, I'd find it "reasonable" to conduct a more intensive search, for instance say having a bomb sniffing dog present at the metal detector. This is because with the media attention and the high profile of such a case mixed with the known potential threat, the potential for damage is far higher and thus the level of search that is reasonable could be escalated.
    We may be getting close to agreement here. At least I'm glad to see you take the position that the screenings from the courthouse in Florida - you know, the ones where a hundred of the nudie booth images were released along with the security camera clips so you could see who was being screened in spite of the fact that the nudie booths aren't supposed to be able to save the images - were a complete violation of the constitutional rights of the folks being screened.

    I have no problem with metal detectors in airports, but dogs are much more effective (and a helluva lot cheaper) than nudie booths and groping when it comes to detecting explosives and drugs.
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