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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    no one (but you) cares about my opinion

    i don't even care about my opinion

    obama cares about ms lee's (and the aclu's), that's the point

    ie, it's a LOSER

    party on, my personality prone correspondent

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No J-mac, I'm pulling the "I can lose my job if I post SSI or higher information" crap mixed with stating that its unreasonable to think that since people aren't telling you things that would be considered classified that it means its not happening.
    I don't have the luxury to know if there have been attempts domestically, on that you are correct, and I also likewise do not know what it is that you do for a living that would allow you access to this information. You seem to be alluding to having such knowledge. Whether it is true or not I don't know. But of this I do know, I have a little sense inside me that makes my hair stand on end when someone tries to tell me that something is "reasonable" and allows a person with less than two weeks training, to do an invasive pat down on my wife, or children without probable cause, for simply flying while American.

    You should too.

    Seriously, all you want, you not being seemingly mature enough to understand there are actual restrictions and rules regarding information in some jobs isn't going to magically make me or others divulge stuff.
    Don't tell me about rules pal. I know all about them. As for my maturity, I don't think you can asses that simply because you disagree with me, or I you. Also, as a standard of rules, we have those in place that say anywhere else were this to be happening that it would be unconstitutional, and against the law.

    Think back to the Bush Administration even. Was there weekly briefings given out to the public explaining every single attack or possible threat that was thwarted by TSA? Are you suggesting TSA did almost nothing while Bush was in office as well?
    I don't believe Bush is the question anymore. He is no longer in charge. Remember when liberals were screaming about the Patriot Act, saying that it gave too much power, and other Presidents could abuse that power....Here we are.

    The point being that he wouldn't fit this mystical testable stereotype of a terrorist prior to his action.
    He would if the security in place were doing their jobs right....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiki
    On December 21, 2001, Reid attempted to board a flight from Paris, France to Miami, Florida, but his boarding was delayed because his disheveled physical appearance aroused the suspicions of the airline passenger screeners. Reid also did not answer all of their questions, and had not checked any luggage for the transatlantic flight. Additional screening by the French National Police resulted in Reid's being re-issued a ticket for a flight on the following day.[13] He returned to the Paris airport on December 22, 2001, and he boarded American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami, wearing his special shoes packed with plastic explosives in their hollowed-out bottoms.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_(shoe_bomber)
    Again, the point being that just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean it can't be done in the future.
    A lot can be done. The question should be, should it be done? Right?

    And thank you for making my point about the media. This "ramp up" you speak of isn't something new. TSA has been "ramping up" its security since its inception. Multiple years ago it upgraded many airports with the "sniffer" machines that puffs air and looks for trace chemicals. It was a number of years ago when the first of the body scanners started to make the news. We had changes with things like the shoes, the liquids on the plane, etc. TSA has been "ramping up" since its inception, its not something new, its not like for 10 years it was completely stagnant and all of a sudden new stuff is being done.
    Yep, and there should be a line should there not?

    You're right, they're not willing to (potentially since the SCOTUS hasn't said its unconstitutional yet) give up their rights.....they're just apparently willing to give up OTHER peoples rights since so many pushing against this are pushing for something that HAS been ruled on by the SCOTUS as unconstitutional.
    So you are more worried about the rights of the actual possible terrorist, than you are about your fellow Americans children.....That's just wonderful.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That's wonderful. I don't. You think its unconstitutional. I think it is. Its in place and staying there until SCOTUS agrees with you though or the agency volunteerily changes it.
    Here's the fourth.

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized".

    It seems very clear that this amendment is being violated.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here's the fourth.

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized".

    It seems very clear that this amendment is being violated.
    Really? Seems pretty clear to me. You're voluntarily entering onto federal property to enter into federal air in a location that if disrupted can have a major affect on interstate traffic and the economy as a whole. Seems entirely reasonable to me.

    And last I checked you're not a federal judge, so your belief of it being a "clear" violation of the constitution matters roughly as much as mine...or a house cats for that matter.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And last I checked you're not a federal judge, so your belief of it being a "clear" violation of the constitution matters roughly as much as mine...or a house cats for that matter.
    I love your reasoning. It doesn't matter what the constitution says, all that matters is what the government says the constitution says.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    I love your reasoning. It doesn't matter what the constitution says, all that matters is what the government says the constitution says.
    I may be crazy here, but I'm pretty sure the constitution essentially vests the Supreme Court with the ability to determine if laws and such are constitutional or not.

    Since you know, "What the constitution says" can vary between two random individuals...such as him believing that the search violates the 4th while I don't....and thus there needs to be an arbiter that is the final say.

    It definitely matters what the constitution says. The issue is me and him seem to have very different views of how what it says applies in this circumstance, but when it comes down to it, neither of us is a judge and vested with the power in such a way that our statements regarding its constitutionality matters any more than the opinions of a 3 year old.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    I love your reasoning. It doesn't matter what the constitution says, all that matters is what the government says the constitution says.
    Just as you'll trust government employees to grope your more personal areas, and those of others, you'll trust the government to explain and interpret what's written in plain English and which should be understandable to anyone with a high school education.

    Having a judge decide what it is you are reading is a step too far. Even Orwell never predicted anything as bizarre as this.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Just as you'll trust government employees to grope your more personal areas, and those of others, you'll trust the government to explain and interpret what's written in plain English and which should be understandable to anyone with a high school education.

    Having a judge decide what it is you are reading is a step too far. Even Orwell never predicted anything as bizarre as this.
    Wait, so you're seriously suggesting that the SCOTUS is not the body that determines if laws or procedures are constitutional or not?

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really? Seems pretty clear to me. You're voluntarily entering onto federal property to enter into federal air in a location that if disrupted can have a major affect on interstate traffic and the economy as a whole. Seems entirely reasonable to me.

    And last I checked you're not a federal judge, so your belief of it being a "clear" violation of the constitution matters roughly as much as mine...or a house cats for that matter.
    By that standard, you would be subject to invasive search anytime you left the house.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    By that standard, you would be subject to invasive search anytime you left the house.

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    the gas station is federal property? My grocery store is federal property?

    Come on, let's not over generalize.

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