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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I don’t recall gumming up the works at the airport either, but that doesn’t stop you from telling me to STFU for offering an opinion here.
    Nor has it prevented yourself and others from making wild accusations concerning what are reasonable, positive steps to keep our country and airline passengers safe. But as you've stated we all have our opinions and some of us feel very strongly about our views. However, alittle common sense goes a long way. From my perspective, the steps the TSA have taken concerning airport passenger screening are steps in the right direction as evidenced by some travelers who flew on 9/11:

    "It was a day at the beach, a box of chocolates," said Greg Hancock, 61, who breezed through security at the Phoenix airport on the way to a vacation in California. He was sent through a body scanner after a golf ball marker set off the metal detector.

    His wife, Marti Hancock, 58, said that ever since she was in the air on Sept. 11, 2001, and feared there was a bomb on her plane, she has been fully supportive of stringent security: "If that's what you have to do to keep us safe, that's what you have to do."
    Or this passenger:

    In Atlanta, 22-year-old Ashley Humphries was given a pat-down search of her chest and crotch by a female screener after bobby pins in her hair set off a metal detector.

    "I can see how it would make someone uncomfortable, but I'm not easily offended, so it really didn't bother me as much," said Humphries, who was traveling with her fiance to spend Thanksgiving with family in Tennessee.
    But some holiday travelers decided it would be better to forego traveling by air to avoid the stress of airline security pat downs:

    At least some people said they decided not to fly at all, in part because of the airport screening procedures. At an Amtrak station in Chicago, Pam Edwards said she decided to travel by train from Jackson, Miss., even though it would take 15 hours instead of two.

    "With all the things with the TSA, I just decided it might be a little bit easier, stress-wise, to take the train," the 61-year-old retired preschool teacher said as she stepped off the train.

    Edwards, who said she suffers from sleep apnea, travels with a machine to ease her breathing. She recalled her last flight and the hassle of being stopped by airport security because of the device.

    "I was thinking, I don't know if I want to go through that again," she said.
    You can read more about how airline travel has gone so far for today atleast from this linked MSNBC.com article.

    By all accounts, the concerns many people had for this day of air travel atleast have been unfounded. All it takes is a little common sense and advanced planning. Go through the full body scanners - takes approximately 10 seconds. Submit to the pat-downs, takes 4 minutes minimum. I'd say the choice is obvious.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Really? It take less imagination than you think...

    (possibly NSFW)

    http://info-wars.org/wp-content/uplo...dheight349.jpg

    That looks pretty clear to me, almost like a photo negative. In fact, I wonder what happens if you invert the colors...?

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/j.../080110top.jpg

    Now, would you be ok with someone having in their possession a picture similar to the one above, only of your wife or child instead? Answer honestly please.
    My wife (Bamabrat) just saw the images. I agree with her assessment; if the images from the full-body scan are like the first picture, she'd have no problem with going through the scanner. But if they are as revealling as the second image, she'd be uncomfortable, but we still choose the body scan over being touched.

    Me, I'd have no problem either way. But I can see where people wouldn't feel comfortable with the imagry. Still, if it's a choice between being being scanned and being touched, I think most people would choose the scan.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    My wife (Bamabrat) just saw the image of the woman with the concealed gun at her back. Other than the woman's nipples being clearly visible, she said the images looked more like an X-ray w/o the skeleton. No big deal. She had no problem with it.
    How about the second image? Simply because, in an anecdotal situation, someone has no problem with it doesn't make it any less of an invasion of privacy.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    How about the second image? Simply because, in an anecdotal situation, someone has no problem with it doesn't make it any less of an invasion of privacy.
    See revised post above.

    Edit: "...but would still choose the body scan over being touched.

    Me, I'd have no problem either way."
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 11-24-10 at 10:29 PM.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    An Arizona state trooper can stop a Mexican, who doesn't have a driver's license, nor a green card and doesn't speak English and that trooper can't ask if that Mexican is an illegal alien; yet we can force three y/o little girls to get finger ****ed at the airport.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I didn't say the terrorist would get through our defenses no matter what. I said they'll keep looking for ways around our security measures until they find a weakness. It's incumbant on us (our government) to do everything they can to stay one step ahead of the terrorist, if they can.
    And what's your upper limit for that? How much is too much?


    Still, I guarentee you that should it be learned that a terrorist under these new airport screening procedures, get past a checkpoint because some TSA screener surcome to the pressures of the day, you and your critics will be screaming FOUL!
    MY criticism will depend on the specific circumstances. Can't speak for anyone else.


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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    I think everyone who goes to the airport that they will only submit to a body search by a trained medical professional.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/25902334/detail.html

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    My wife (Bamabrat) just saw the images. I agree with her assessment; if the images from the full-body scan are like the first picture, she'd have no problem with going through the scanner. But if they are as revealling as the second image, she'd be uncomfortable, but we still choose the body scan over being touched.

    Me, I'd have no problem either way. But I can see where people wouldn't feel comfortable with the imagry. Still, if it's a choice between being being scanned and being touched, I think most people would choose the scan.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    By all accounts, the concerns many people had for this day of air travel atleast have been unfounded. All it takes is a little common sense and advanced planning. Go through the full body scanners - takes approximately 10 seconds. Submit to the pat-downs, takes 4 minutes minimum. I'd say the choice is obvious.
    Then I wonder why this was happening:

    NEWARK — The choice between a "virtual strip search" and a "grope" was strictly academic Wednesday for most holiday travelers flying out of Newark Liberty International Airport.
    The majority of Newark’s full-body scanners were idle throughout much of the day, depriving most passengers of the chance to opt out of the controversial screening procedure even if they had wanted to.

    Newark airport controversial scanners are barely used on busiest travel day | NJ.com
    New Jersey passengers air travel not as much of a threat?

    Or, if you think it was just there you are mistaken. California Independent Voter Network asks:

    Reports abound that the Transportation Security Administration deactivated a number of its controversial Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) machines throughout the country on Wednesday. Passengers from California's LAX reported that the backscatter X-ray machines were “all roped off.” The phenomenon coincided with National Opt-Out Day, a grassroots-driven protest against naked body scanners and intrusive pat downs at airport security checkpoints.

    While it cannot be confirmed how many body scanners were turned off at the California airport, it is clear that wherever the news cameras went, hungrily awaiting a protest scene, the scanners were simply deactivated. This begs the rather serious question: Is the TSA more concerned with its PR image than its duties? What's most perplexing is how government officials can claim that the body scanners are critical to airline safety if on the busiest travel day of the year so many can go unused without incident.

    TSA shut down some scanners on National Opt-Out Day | CAIVN
    And rightly so. How is that OV? can you explain?

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