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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, you don't like it and wish to avoid the "bottle neck" that may provide an opportunity for a potential terrorist to cause mass casualty in airport lobbies, DON'T FLY ON COMMERCIAL AIRLINES. Drive your car to your next destination, or travel via bus or rail. Your choice if you don't want to be inconvenienced that much. But stop trying to inject fear where there is none. You guys wanted more airport security after 9/11 and now your whining about it. SHUT UP already and deal with it.
    What an ironic reply.

    These steps are not making us safer. They are just changing where the danger might be greatest, but the danger society at large faces is not removed, or even minimized in the slightest.

    Their purpose is to terrorize, not to blow up a plane. So you shut up already. If you want people fondling your privates, go to public restrooms and ask for it, but leave the rest of us out of it.

    After 9/11 I wanted the government to recognize their culpability in 9/11. It was them who wouldn’t allow airlines to have armed pilots on the plane. It was them that said private organizations can’t profile. Instead, they ignored their blame in it and implemented a draconian response to appease simpletons.

    Besides, we got lucky to discover the other hijacked planes. Why? Because the hijackers didn't quite know how to turn off interior PA systems, transponders or the plane's communications system between themselves and air traffic control towers. If it weren't for those misteps, the FAA may not have known what was going on until more damage had been done.
    Even if the third plane was successful, we have learned our lesson. The cat is out of the bag. The plane transformed into a missile thing is not happening again. They will find another method of terrorizing us.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I showed you that clip to show that what the German soldier was saying to the American, is very similar to what you are saying here.....Shhhhhh, it's ok....just take it....shhhhh....


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    Sorry....can't view YouTube clips from work. My apologies if by the above you're saying we agree.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    What an ironic reply.

    These steps are not making us safer. They are just changing where the danger might be greatest, but the danger society at large faces is not removed, or even minimized in the slightest.

    Their purpose is to terrorize, not to blow up a plane. So you shut up already. If you want people fondling your privates, go to public restrooms and ask for it, but leave the rest of us out of it.

    After 9/11 I wanted the government to recognize their culpability in 9/11. It was them who wouldn’t allow airlines to have armed pilots on the plane. It was them that said private organizations can’t profile. Instead, they ignored their blame in it and implemented a draconian response to appease simpletons.



    Even if the third plane was successful, we have learned our lesson. The cat is out of the bag. The plane transformed into a missile thing is not happening again. They will find another method of terrorizing us.
    Here again, in your hyperbol, no one is saying they WANT their private parts to be touched in such an uninvited way. But I AM saying is if society as a whole (or majority rule since we are in a representative republic) wants our government to take steps to protect us from all enemies, foreign AND domestic, we must subject ourselves to alittle inconvenience in order to keep us safe.

    Now, if it is proven that the security measures that are in place are not working, that they are unnecessary, I would think such measures would either be revised or terminated. Still, to your comment about "...leave the rest of us out of it..." I say again:

    If you don't want your junk touched and you don't wish to be inconvenienced at airport security checkpoints, DON'T FLY COMMERICAL PLANES. It's just that simple. You still have that freedom to choose for yourself which mode of transportation you wish to utilize. If traveling by air is such an inconvenience for you, find another way to get from point A to point B. It's really just that simple.

    Now, to the point of national security overall if that's the discussion you wish to have, all of this could be rendered moot if we simply improved our immigration procedures on both sides of the pond and to our north and south. You want real solutions to this terrorist problem from within and abroad, that's the solution! Then none of us would have to worry about our junk being felt-up. But until then...

    If you're that inconvenienced, find another mode of transportation.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    STFU and move through the full body scanners if you don't want to be "felt up!" And if you're embarrased about how your body may appear on the full-body scanner, might I suggest you hit the gym?

    GET OVER YOURSELVES, AMERICA! Life in a post-9/11 world has changed. And if that means you'll be inconvenienced for a brief while just to keep your butts safe, then so be it! STOP YOUR WHINING, go through the security procedures intended to keep you safe and board the GD planes already.
    tell it to the chair and senior member of house homeland security

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And your knowledge of this is gained how? Fact is, that if this were a repub President, and HS sec doing this you'd probably be on the side railing against it. But let it be 'the One' that is okey dokey with it, and so are you.....If you value your rights so little that you would trade them for security, then I am sure that there are plenty of places on this earth where you would be perfectly safe without them.....

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    For starters, I've paid close attention this this airport security/national security issue since before 9/11...back in the '80s actually. Again, I'm no export...not by a long shot, but I've observed these such things since being in the military years ago....had to! Security procedures was part of my MOS.

    As to my knowledge since leaving the services, I've read quite a few books on the matter of pre- and post-9/11 social/political events, most notable the 9/11 report and currently "Your Government Failed You," by Richard A. Clarke. But one doesn't have to come to this knowledge from reading books on U.S. terrorism. You just have to pay attention to the news, and it was well known (or assumed) that the potential was out there that another plane was hijacked. The FAA was smart enough to ground all air travel before any more damage could be done. To that, we may never know if there was a 5th, 6th, 7th hijacked plane. Frankly, I'm thankful the FAA was able to stop them at plane #4, but that's four planes too many if you ask me.

    As to which political party the President would belong to under current circumstances, no, I wouldn't berate the President for trying to protect us regardless of if he were Democrat, Republican, Independent, or Tea Partier. I just want someone in office to do the right thing by the American people. From where I stand, I agree with the initiatives in place. They're long overdue, frankly.

    As for my rights, the are very much in tact, thank you very much....atleast to the degree they were corrected by Congress prior to G.W. Bush leaving office. But cell phone surveillance and warrantless search and seizure against "suspected" terrorist is alittle different from refusing to go through an electronic body scanning device knowing full well you're going to be manually screened by airport security. One you have control over, the other you likely do not (depending on the circumstances as to why you're in line to be searched).
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 11-24-10 at 06:14 PM.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Here again, in your hyperbol, no one is saying they WANT their private parts to be touched in such an uninvited way. But I AM saying is if society as a whole (or majority rule since we are in a representative republic) wants our government to take steps to protect us from all enemies, foreign AND domestic, we must subject ourselves to alittle inconvenience in order to keep us safe.

    Now, if it is proven that the security measures that are in place are not working, that they are unnecessary, I would think such measures would either be revised or terminated. Still, to your comment about "...leave the rest of us out of it..." I say again:

    If you don't want your junk touched and you don't wish to be inconvenienced at airport security checkpoints, DON'T FLY COMMERICAL PLANES. It's just that simple. You still have that freedom to choose for yourself which mode of transportation you wish to utilize. If traveling by air is such an inconvenience for you, find another way to get from point A to point B. It's really just that simple.

    Now, to the point of national security overall if that's the discussion you wish to have, all of this could be rendered moot if we simply improved our immigration procedures on both sides of the pond and to our north and south. You want real solutions to this terrorist problem from within and abroad, that's the solution! Then none of us would have to worry about our junk being felt-up. But until then...

    If you're that inconvenienced, find another mode of transportation.
    In addition to finding other modes of transportation, we will continue to use our speech to point out how your attempts at security are an illusion.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    In addition to finding other modes of transportation, we will continue to use our speech to point out how your attempts at security are an illusion.
    My attempts at security? Funny...I don't recall writing these procedures, but if I did I'd certainly have done some things differently. But airline passengers would still be screened.

    BTW, the terror isn't in lobbing an explosive in a crowd at an airport. That would only shut down the airport terminal. The terror is in getting a plane to fall out of the sky...has a much more damaging affect psychologically.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    My attempts at security? Funny...I don't recall writing these procedures, but if I did I'd certainly have done some things differently. But airline passengers would still be screened.

    BTW, the terror isn't in lobbing an explosive in a crowd at an airport. That would only shut down the airport terminal. The terror is in getting a plane to fall out of the sky...has a much more damaging affect psychologically.
    I don’t recall gumming up the works at the airport either, but that doesn’t stop you from telling me to STFU for offering an opinion here.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I hope she's hot.....
    Yup. Check the video.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Have you looked at what is on the scanner screen? Seriously, you may wnat to see someone if you find that arousing.
    Really? It take less imagination than you think...

    (possibly NSFW)

    http://info-wars.org/wp-content/uplo...dheight349.jpg

    That looks pretty clear to me, almost like a photo negative. In fact, I wonder what happens if you invert the colors...?

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/j.../080110top.jpg

    Now, would you be ok with someone having in their possession a picture similar to the one above, only of your wife or child instead? Answer honestly please.
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