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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    That sounds like a pretty foolish conclusion to me.

    Not wanting someone to touch your groin =/= not wanting to piss next to someone.
    Same squeamishness as far as I'm concerned. Also, when the nice man at state security asks for your info, give it to them, if it were a problem, it's not like they wouldn't know it anyways.

    I'd like to see him try the same type of **** with a state trooper. Oh wait? Isn't that how they catch drug offenders?

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    Seem's you've never been shook down before.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Same squeamishness as far as I'm concerned.
    As far as any thinking person is concerned, it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    As far as any thinking person is concerned, it is not.
    Strange, I thought that in typing this out it qualified as a thought.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I don't know, easy choice. Police state here, or war over there? I thought it was an analogy that translated easily. And that was an image i found in 5 seconds on google images.




    ...Im drunk I kno....
    I am not willing to give up MY rights in hopes to prevent war and for you to compair this is disgusting!

    Do you know HOW it makes some people that have been raped and invaded by others feel to have to go through all these things?
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Hrrm... You make sense.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    And why the thought of a $10,000 fine (and any probably any sort of lawsuit) is ridiculous.
    Fines also may be imposed when passengers attempt to artfully conceal prohibited items or behave in a manner that is so uncooperative and disruptive that it physically interferes with the screening process. -- snip -- This policy directive provides sanction guidance for imposing civil penalties of up to $25,000 per violation for aircraft operators and up to $10,000 per violation for all other persons, including individuals, when a determination is made that civil penalty enforcement action should be taken.
    TSA: Civil Enforcement Policies

    ‘‘An individual in an area within a commercial service airport in the United States who, by assaulting a Federal, airport, or
    air carrier employee who has security duties within the airport, interferes with the performance of the duties of the employee or
    lessens the ability of the employee to perform those duties, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years,

    or both.
    http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/Aviati...w_107_1771.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    The problem, though, was this: He declined, tried to leave - as told - then told if he didn't then RETURN afte being told to leave he'd be slapped with a possible 10k fine or lawsuit.

    Regulations my aching ass, this is incompetence at its core.
    See snipped quotes above as to the possible fine. One cop on the street says it's okay to drive away. Another cop says, "Wait." You'd better damned well wait.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Simple screening. They remove bottles of lotion from suitcases. Make sure people don't enter the security area with any sizable amount of metal that can't be identified. Etc. Yes, there is no law that says you have to submit to TSA screening, or "complete a process" when you choose NOT to submit. No, they can't hold you for questioning. They can't detain you. They can't arrest you. They can tell you lies and pretend that they have that authority, but they don't. They can't really touch you. Why do you think they have real cops there? All they can do is keep you out of the gate. A police officer can detain you against your will if there's "reasonable suspicion," (in which case the officer probably would have searched the guy himself). But if you ask "can I go?" - like this guy did - there's nothing they can do about it. They can't even force you to give them your name or ID (TSA, police, OR FBI) unless they arrest you for committing a crime.
    If you don't submit to their procedural guidelines, you will not get past the checkpoint. If you interfere with their procedures or exhibit suspicious conduct, you will be detained. As quoted above, you can be fined or imprisoned for interfering. TSA officers are designated as Law Enforcement Officers while engaging in their TSA responsibilities. They have the power to arrest without a warrant. http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/Aviati...w_107_1771.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    This guy certainly didn't compromise anybody's safety. He didn't even get on the plane. These searches are random and voluntary, and therefore do little or nothing to increase security. If you've got five people - four make it through on the standard screening, and the guy who gets chosen for enhanced screening refuses and walks away.
    This guy certainly did interfere and slow the process for every single traveler behind him. He was a jerk.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    This guys a f*g idiot. I have as much respect for him as I do idiots on youtube that go up with videocameras attempting to harass protestors into something embarassing for a viral video on youtube. Actually less so. 15 minute famous prick as far as I'm concerned. Like doctors dont touch his balls.
    Can't believe we agree, SE. And you make an excellent point. Maybe the whole idea was to get a video.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    See snipped quotes above as to the possible fine. One cop on the street says it's okay to drive away. Another cop says, "Wait." You'd better damned well wait.
    Except the TSA is not granted that kind of legal authority. Even still, who in their right mind could seriously believe objecting, then trying to leave peacefully actually meets said definition of "interfering with the screening process"?

    Sounds like, in my opinion, something that really needs to be looked at, and tightened up - the definition, that is.



    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This guy certainly did interfere and slow the process for every single traveler behind him. He was a jerk.
    Yes, standing up for yourself is such a rude thing to do.

    Granted, it depends on how you go about it, but slowing down the process in of itself can't reasonably, IMO, be a reasonable gauge of interference - how about the TSA being able to hold you for 30 minutes or more [or so they claim] if you opt out of the body scanners for a patdown?
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Racial profiling is mathematically a worse choice than random screening, strange as that may sound.



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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    ... is comfortable with a doctor?
    Hey, if the TSA was giving out free medical screenings with these invasive search techniques then maybe everything would be fine. You know, if TSA agents were actually medical doctors. But they're not. So you can't really compare the two situations. It may be sweet getting a free medical screening every time you go through the airport; but that's not what they're doing. What they are doing is going well beyond reasonable searches in an aggressive and invasive manner by which the government should rightfully be banned from (without warrant). It's time to send TSA the way of the dodo.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Waterboarding people who don't know anything for weeks on end is easier than pat downs....
    That's right! Let's target the terrorists, rather than three y/o white girls from Ohio. Let's use some common sense, vice shooting a shot gun and hoping we hit the right target.

    The TSA is more worried about being polically correct, rather than actually smoking out the bad guys and it's not working out so well? Color me shocked!!!!
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