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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Ok folks.... Here comes the patented boo radley shuffle. In this instance he's going to pretend he didnt argue that all these folks were "overreacting" and "exagerating" to making it a semantics argument about "groping and fondling".....


    Get your hip waders on folks it's about to get real deep up in here.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It takes one gram of PETN to blow a hole in the side of a commercial aircraft. Would these scanners have detected that? For that matter would a pat down? Remember this is one gram we are talking about.

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    Sometimes the interwebs frighten me... I just googled PETN, and the 3rd link is a complete guide to making it.
    PETN synthesis.

    However, I'm not extremely concerned with it's use by terrorists should they get 1 gram through a screening...

    Pentaerythritol tetranitrate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The most common use of PETN is as an explosive with high brisance. It is more difficult to detonate than primary explosives, so dropping or igniting it will typically not cause an explosion (at atmospheric pressure it is difficult to ignite and burns relatively slowly), but is more sensitive to shock and friction than other secondary explosives such as TNT or tetryl.[12][15] Under certain conditions a deflagration to detonation transition can occur.
    ...then I saw this part...
    In August 2009, PETN was used in an attempt by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula to murder the Saudi Arabian Deputy Minister of Interior Prince Muhammad bin Nayef, by Saudi suicide bomber Abdullah Hassan al Asiri. The target survived and the bomber died in the blast. The PETN was hidden in the bomber's rectum, which security experts described as a novel technique.[27][28][29]

    ...and this part, which is kind of contradictory...
    Hans Michels, professor of safety engineering at University College London, told a newspaper that 6 grams (0.2 oz) of PETN "— around 50 times less than was used – would be enough to blast a hole in a metal plate twice the thickness of an aircraft's skin."[35] In contrast, an experiment designed to simulate Abdulmutallab's Christmas day bombing, using an actual Beoing 747 airplane, showed that even 80 grams of PETN is not sufficient to materially damage an airplane's fuselage.[36]

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I've asked the following a fefw times, in both threads prior to the merge, but nobody has answered. I find that very telling...

    Does anyone have a link to stats on how many invasive pat-downs there have been recently (say 2 months), and to the number of complaints filed about said invasive pat-downs in that same time period? I'm curious to see if the percentage of complaints is high, mid-range, or fairly low. Anyone???

    A high to mid-range percentage would indicate to me a problem, while a fairly low percentage would indicate to me an over-reaction of the public to a few cases.

    PLEASE NOTE: I am not making a claim in either direction. I'm just asking if there are any actual numbers.
    It's a good question:

    A CBS News survey showed 81 percent of people polled approve of the use of full-body X-ray machines. A Washington Post/ABC News survey found nearly two-thirds of respondents in support. When it comes to the pat downs, respondents were practically split down the middle. Still 70 percent of Americans questioned in the Washington Post/ABC News poll said the new TSA rules made no difference in their decision to fly.

    TSA complaints: Warranted outrage? Or all bark, no bite? – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

    Myth: Complaints about the pat-downs are extremely high.
    Fact: Only a small percentage of the traveling public receives a pat down as they travel through the security checkpoint. Approximately 2 million people fly in the United States every day. The number of complaints is extremely low.

    The TSA Blog

    I'll keep looking but I haven't found anything that has actually counted them.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't know. But I feel fairly certin not looking wouldn't. And I would argue that is not the entirity of what might be found.

    And what do you suppose 'might be found' on Stewardesses? Disabled men with a urinary catheter? 3 year old American children? other than being terrorized by the intrusive, and traumatic methods being undertaken now to some?

    Do you think that some person that possibly was abused either sexually, or otherwise may find this over the top?

    Don't you find this a little much?

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Ok folks.... Here comes the patented boo radley shuffle. In this instance he's going to pretend he didnt argue that all these folks were "overreacting" and "exagerating" to making it a semantics argument about "groping and fondling".....


    Get your hip waders on folks it's about to get real deep up in here.
    reading skills are important. When I spoke of exaggerating and hyperbole, I always had as part of the fondling and the feeling up. Go back and read, and see that I even defined the words. Please, try to be somewhat honest.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's a good question:

    A CBS News survey showed 81 percent of people polled approve of the use of full-body X-ray machines. A Washington Post/ABC News survey found nearly two-thirds of respondents in support. When it comes to the pat downs, respondents were practically split down the middle. Still 70 percent of Americans questioned in the Washington Post/ABC News poll said the new TSA rules made no difference in their decision to fly.

    TSA complaints: Warranted outrage? Or all bark, no bite? – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

    Myth: Complaints about the pat-downs are extremely high.
    Fact: Only a small percentage of the traveling public receives a pat down as they travel through the security checkpoint. Approximately 2 million people fly in the United States every day. The number of complaints is extremely low.

    The TSA Blog

    I'll keep looking but I haven't found anything that has actually counted them.

    do you have the internals of the questions asked to come up with that 81% number being tossed out there by supporters of this crap?

    I have heard that the question didn't match what the headline is, for example they asked if you felt increased security was needed in Airports. Nothing about Scanners or pat downs.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And what do you suppose 'might be found' on Stewardesses? Disabled men with a urinary catheter? 3 year old American children? other than being terrorized by the intrusive, and traumatic methods being undertaken now to some?

    Do you think that some person that possibly was abused either sexually, or otherwise may find this over the top?

    Don't you find this a little much?

    j-mac
    Have no idea, but I did see this:

    White House: Terrorists Have Discussed Use of Prosthetics to Conceal Explosives

    What would the passenger look like who had a prosethetics? And is it wise to universially exempt anyone? And I gave a link to a reasonable argument against children. I swear no one has even looked at it.

    But those too are another argument. I think there is a valid argument to be made concerning who is most likely, and what critieria we should have for pulling people out of line. But we cannot say the proper procedure is fondling or feeling up or gropping.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    reading skills are important. When I spoke of exaggerating and hyperbole, I always had as part of the fondling and the feeling up. Go back and read, and see that I even defined the words. Please, try to be somewhat honest.



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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    do you have the internals of the questions asked to come up with that 81% number being tossed out there by supporters of this crap?

    I have heard that the question didn't match what the headline is, for example they asked if you felt increased security was needed in Airports. Nothing about Scanners or pat downs.

    j-mac
    I hope you don't mind that you "heard" is not really enogh to be accepted as fact. I do know I heard a woman on TV this morning say she had no problem with it, and the question was at all vague.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I wasn't the one caught in a lie, Boo. That was you, hero.
    Not lie. A mistake of which I took credit for. Now, if you'll just do the same, we'll be fine.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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