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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can see that they may have wanted to question him further. Guy with bomb in his underwear refuses to be patted down at the checkpoint. They send him on his way, and he blows up the Ticket Counter. We'd all be shouting, "JFG!!!! They had 'im at at the checkpoint and they let him go??????
    They didn't really have a choice, did they? He didn't break any laws.

    Seriously, why treat this guy differently than any other person who refuses to submit to screening? Let's say the bomb wasn't in his underwear, but in a wine bottle. If they discover the bottle, sure they'll take it out - but you still have the option to leave the line and check your bag. Same goes for a knife. They may even point you to a convienent mailing station where you can send the blade to yourself.

    TSA isn't really in the business of identifying who may be a potential threat.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, purchasing a ticket doesn't "bind you" to security procedures, either. You're only bound to follow security procedures if you wish to access the gate, where a boarding pass is often but not always part of the screening process.

    At no point in the process did this guy consent to follow security procedures. Not in purchasing his ticket, not in entering the airport, not in showing "intent" to board by getting in the security line. The first and only opportunity he had was when they were actually being performed. At that point he declined and there was NOTHING they could do about it because he was not "bound" or "required" in any way to submit.
    What in the world are you talking about? Stop splitting hairs into little tiny pigtails, for God's sake. If the guy wanted to fly, then the guy had to submit to security protocols. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    They didn't really have a choice, did they? He didn't break any laws.
    He didn't intentionally break any laws. But when they wanted him to return to the checkpoint to complete "the process" and he refused, I'm not sure whether he broke the law or not. Are you? What authority does TSA have over someone? Can they hold them for questioning? Yes, of course, they can. They can summon the FBfreakin'I.

    TSA isn't really in the business of identifying who may be a potential threat.
    Just what are they in the business of doing?
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What in the world are you talking about? Stop splitting hairs into little tiny pigtails, for God's sake. If the guy wanted to fly, then the guy had to submit to security protocols. Simple as that.
    Explaining why this is wrong:

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    When he bought his ticket, he bought into TSA's rules and regs.
    And why the thought of a $10,000 fine (and any probably any sort of lawsuit) is ridiculous.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What in the world are you talking about? Stop splitting hairs into little tiny pigtails, for God's sake. If the guy wanted to fly, then the guy had to submit to security protocols. Simple as that.
    The problem, though, was this: He declined, tried to leave - as told - then told if he didn't then RETURN afte being told to leave he'd be slapped with a possible 10k fine or lawsuit.

    Regulations my aching ass, this is incompetence at its core.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    I support the TSA. Flying is a privilege, it is also a prime target for terrorism. It's our civic duty to consent to searches to ensure the safety of ourselves and other fliers. The TSA is necessary and not unreasonable. I think what is unreasonable is the people who want to compromise the safety of others because they are uncomfortable with being searched.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just what are they in the business of doing?
    Simple screening. They remove bottles of lotion from suitcases. Make sure people don't enter the security area with any sizable amount of metal that can't be identified. Etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure whether he broke the law or not. Are you?
    Yes, there is no law that says you have to submit to TSA screening, or "complete a process" when you choose NOT to submit.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What authority does TSA have over someone? Can they hold them for questioning? Yes, of course, they can. They can summon the FBfreakin'I.
    No, they can't hold you for questioning. They can't detain you. They can't arrest you. They can tell you lies and pretend that they have that authority, but they don't. They can't really touch you. Why do you think they have real cops there? All they can do is keep you out of the gate.

    A police officer can detain you against your will if there's "reasonable suspicion," (in which case the officer probably would have searched the guy himself). But if you ask "can I go?" - like this guy did - there's nothing they can do about it.

    They can't even force you to give them your name or ID (TSA, police, OR FBI) unless they arrest you for committing a crime.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think what is unreasonable is the people who want to compromise the safety of others because they are uncomfortable with being searched.
    This guy certainly didn't compromise anybody's safety. He didn't even get on the plane.

    These searches are random and voluntary, and therefore do little or nothing to increase security. If you've got five people - four make it through on the standard screening, and the guy who gets chosen for enhanced screening refuses and walks away.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    We'd all be much safer if they'd just put armed agents on the planes in the first place, and stop with all of this over-the-top security nonsense. You can't stop terrorists from finding ways to attack us, no matter how much "security" you're willing to put up with. The security we need is the ability to respond appropriately to actual threats.

    edit: Of course, the whole point of the "security" is to make sure we stay angry and scared and ready to blame targets of convenience.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    I would now be patted down, and that involved running hands up the inside of my legs until they felt my groin. I stated that I would not allow myself to be subject to a molestation as a condition of getting on my flight. The supervisor informed me that it was a standard administrative security check and that they were authorized to do it. I repeated that I felt what they were doing was a sexual assault, and that if they were anyone but the government, the act would be illegal. I believe that I was then informed that if I did not submit to the inspection, I would not be getting on my flight. I again stated that I thought the search was illegal.
    This guys a f*g idiot. I have as much respect for him as I do idiots on youtube that go up with videocameras attempting to harass protestors into something embarassing for a viral video on youtube. Actually less so. 15 minute famous prick as far as I'm concerned. Like doctors dont touch his balls.


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