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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I take it by this wave you oppose the bill which removes exemptions from this search for federal employees?
    There's an exemption for federal employees? Does that include military personnel like Hassan at Ft. Hood? And the pilots are not exempted?

    Whose idea was this, anyway?
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    This one:"Not going" is not an answer; it is avoidance.

    Try again.
    You don't have a right to fly across the Pacific Ocean, Coronado. The only answer there is is not to fly....as long as those security protocols are in place...and as long as you will not be subject to them. Although, actually, you could just keep going to the checkpoint, refusing, leaving, coming back again, and possibly getting through. Especially if you go early enough and wait for a shift change. ;-)
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    There's an exemption for federal employees? Does that include military personnel like Hassan at Ft. Hood? And the pilots are not exempted?

    Whose idea was this, anyway?
    Coronado linked this earlier, a measure just introduced in the House:

    H.R.6416 -- American Traveller Dignity Act of 2010 (Introduced in House - IH)

    HR 6416 IH

    111th CONGRESS

    2d Session

    H. R. 6416

    To ensure that certain Federal employees cannot hide behind immunity.

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    November 17, 2010

    Mr. PAUL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

    A BILL

    To ensure that certain Federal employees cannot hide behind immunity.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the `American Traveller Dignity Act of 2010'.

    SEC. 2. NO IMMUNITY FOR CERTAIN AIRPORT SCREENING METHODS.

    No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual's body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft. The preceding sentence shall apply even if the individual or the individual's parent, guardian, or any other individual gives consent.
    MaggieD opposes this, or at least she seemed to indicate that she did. Waiting to find out on what grounds.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I take it by this wave you oppose the bill which removes exemptions from this search for federal employees?

    Tell me -- on what grounds do you oppose it?
    First of all, I don't undertand it. I tend to oppose things that make no sense to me:

    No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual’s body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft. The preceding sentence shall apply even if the individual or the individual’s parent, guardian, or any other individual gives consent.
    Immunity from WHAT? It's a stupid piece of legislation to add to a myriad of other stupid pieces of legislation. Just make it illegal.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You don't have a right to fly across the Pacific Ocean, Coronado. The only answer there is is not to fly....as long as those security protocols are in place...and as long as you will not be subject to them.
    So waive my Fourth Amendment rights or deny my daughter the chance to visit her family. Gotcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Although, actually, you could just keep going to the checkpoint, refusing, leaving, coming back again, and possibly getting through. Especially if you go early enough and wait for a shift change. ;-)
    As we have seen, attempting to leave a checkpoint costs about $10,000 per occurence. I pay enough in taxes already, thankyouverymuch.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    First of all, I don't undertand it. I tend to oppose things that make no sense to me:



    Immunity from WHAT? It's a stupid piece of legislation to add to a myriad of other stupid pieces of legislation. Just make it illegal.
    Immunity from anything, like civil and criminal assault and battery.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    First of all, I don't undertand it. I tend to oppose things that make no sense to me:
    Well, I don't really believe that, but if so, then that's a little frightening.


    Immunity from WHAT? It's a stupid piece of legislation to add to a myriad of other stupid pieces of legislation. Just make it illegal.
    Ah. The authority of the state must continue . . . unmolested. Got it.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ah. The authority of the state must continue . . . unmolested. Got it.
    If any molesting is going on, better make sure the state is the one doing it.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Didn't say it had been. Saying it will be, or at least seriously harmed as long as this continues. When people take the advice of "don't like it? Don't fly!" it will happen. Denying this is just . . . stupid.

    And if it's "hyperbolic exaggeration" to speculate along these lines, tell me -- what harm have the wiretaps wrought? What libraries have been raided? You oppose those, so surely you can point to some real harm done by them and not just fear.
    I don't beleive it will be, and believe that prediction is just a little hyperbolic to say the least.

    Wiretaps, espeically the minning ones, sent the FBI off on snipe hunts, wasting manpower. there was an article on that in the NYT some years ago. Jon Stewart did an example were you put three dots together easy to see. Now cover the area with dots, can you now see the three dots and connect them? It's a visual of the problem, and backed by the FBI's complaint of doing more investigating terachers than terrorist.

    Also, phones and such are differnt than planes. Planes area public transportion. Phones are more private. There's reason to inspect peoople before boarding a plane, and not good cause to randomly invade a person at home or on the phone. Again, two different things. it is wrong to treat different things as if they were the same.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You don't have a right to fly across the Pacific Ocean, Coronado.
    That's funny; if you contract with a carrier to take you across the Pacific Ocean, then indeed, you DO have that right. What business is it of yours, and under whose authority do you nullify that contract?
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