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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The guy's a total idiot. I hope they file a suit against him.
    If the entire purpose we put up with screening is airline safety, and he isn't getting on a plane, then what possible purpose could be served by dragging him back to finish the screening? What, other than showing him who's boss?
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If the entire purpose we put up with screening is airline safety, and he isn't getting on a plane, then what possible purpose could be served by dragging him back to finish the screening? What, other than showing him who's boss?
    As I posted earlier, how much trouble would TSA be in if he'd have left the screening area (told he could, but apparently by mistake) and walked 200 feet and blown up a ticket counter?

    I see now by a post a few back that the TSA is actuallly investigating the guy with an eye toward a large fine. That will be interesting. IMO, if they don't take a hard stand, they may as well fold their tents and go home.

    If the young man gets an attorney, he'll pay a "fine" whether or not it's to the TSA.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As I posted earlier, how much trouble would TSA be in if he'd have left the screening area (told he could, but apparently by mistake) and walked 200 feet and blown up a ticket counter?

    I see now by a post a few back that the TSA is actuallly investigating the guy with an eye toward a large fine. That will be interesting. IMO, if they don't take a hard stand, they may as well fold their tents and go home.

    If the young man gets an attorney, he'll pay a "fine" whether or not it's to the TSA.
    If he's suspected of wanting to blow up a ticket counter, that requires a warrant. Scans are permissible without one only because of the danger involved in air travel.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As I posted earlier, how much trouble would TSA be in if he'd have left the screening area (told he could, but apparently by mistake) and walked 200 feet and blown up a ticket counter?
    If they suspected him of such, they would have had sufficient probable cause for an arrest. Otherwise, they should have let him go unmolested.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I see now by a post a few back that the TSA is actuallly investigating the guy with an eye toward a large fine. That will be interesting. IMO, if they don't take a hard stand, they may as well fold their tents and go home.
    So it is more of a "respect mah authoritah" thing? I would hope not ...

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    If they suspected him of such, they would have had sufficient probable cause for an arrest.
    Maybe reasonable suspicion, but not probable cause. Probable cause requires evidence other than getting pissed off about an overly-invasive search.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Maybe reasonable suspicion, but not probable cause. Probable cause requires evidence other than getting pissed off about an overly-invasive search.
    Reasonable suspicion is in order to execute a Terry stop-and-frisk? I don't remember any more ...

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Yep, Terry stop. And they'd have to have specific, articulable facts to do it. Again, I don't think getting pissed off about an invasive, embarrassing search is enough to reasonably suspect he's going to blow up the ticket counter. And even if they did, the scan-and-grope most likely goes beyond the stop-and-frisk which is allowed. But then, it's new and hasn't been tested.
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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yep, Terry stop. And they'd have to have specific, articulable facts to do it. Again, I don't think getting pissed off about an invasive, embarrassing search is enough to reasonably suspect he's going to blow up the ticket counter. And even if they did, the scan-and-grope most likely goes beyond the stop-and-frisk which is allowed. But then, it's new and hasn't been tested.
    IDK, a friend of mine in highschool objected to having his car searched. The police searched his car anyways and found some weed. The officer's reasoning? He objected too vigorously, thus giving the officer probable cause for a vehicle search...

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    IDK, a friend of mine in highschool objected to having his car searched. The police searched his car anyways and found some weed. The officer's reasoning? He objected too vigorously, thus giving the officer probable cause for a vehicle search...
    On those facts even a public defender could get that evidence tossed.

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    Re: TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    On those facts even a public defender could get that evidence tossed.
    He got a public defender and it stuck. I know, it's hard to believe, I've told the story to a number of people that didn't believe me, but the officer in court essentially said that my friend got irate at the idea of the police searching his car, giving the officer probable cause. The original stop was just for a speeding ticket. I'm still pretty amazed at the idea.

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