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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How about we just take it one step at a time? Get gays, in the system and work out the issues that arise from their simply being there. Then, you can phase is the rest of that stuff as time goes along.

    I believe--in other words, in my opinion--if you try to force things to happen, there will be negative consequences.

    You want this to work, right? Why not take it easy, rather than trying to stuff a hundred pounds of ****, in a ten pound bag.
    Your position doesn't really make any sense.

    Why make a big deal out of this? Every other military which has phased in openly serving gays has found it to be much to do about nothing. There is no reason to believe that is going to change with our miliary. Trying to create some convoluted policy to protect everyone is more trouble than it is worth. If someone is acting in an unprofessional manner, whether they are gay or straight, there are already policies to deal with it.

    This is pretty much the McCain tactic. "Oh yeah, let's do away with the ban. But first let's have a study. And then another study because we didn't like the first study. And then have several hearings even though we have had like a dozen hearings on this issue already. And then let's have another study so that we can know the absolute perfect way of doing away with this policy"

    It never ends. It's nothing but a stall tactic.

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Your position doesn't really make any sense.

    Why make a big deal out of this? Every other military which has phased in openly serving gays has found it to be much to do about nothing. There is no reason to believe that is going to change with our miliary. Trying to create some convoluted policy to protect everyone is more trouble than it is worth. If someone is acting in an unprofessional manner, whether they are gay or straight, there are already policies to deal with it.

    This is pretty much the McCain tactic. "Oh yeah, let's do away with the ban. But first let's have a study. And then another study because we didn't like the first study. And then have several hearings even though we have had like a dozen hearings on this issue already. And then let's have another study so that we can know the absolute perfect way of doing away with this policy"

    It never ends. It's nothing but a stall tactic.
    What's your hurry? Seriously!

    If this isn't just about, "I'm gay and **** all you straight mother ****ers", then just chill and allow things to work themselves out.

    I've stated time-n-again that I support lifting the ban on gays and you all insist that I'm a homophobe, that doesn't want gays to serve in the armed forces. You make yourselves look like assholes when you act that way. And, now, I'm stalling?

    I think it all aboils down to one thing: you want your agenda, right now and **** what anyone else thinks. Well, out here in the real world, that's just not how it works.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's your hurry? Seriously!

    If this isn't just about, "I'm gay and **** all you straight mother ****ers", then just chill and allow things to work themselves out.

    I've stated time-n-again that I support lifting the ban on gays and you all insist that I'm a homophobe, that doesn't want gays to serve in the armed forces. You make yourselves look like assholes when you act that way. And, now, I'm stalling?

    I think it all aboils down to one thing: you want your agenda, right now and **** what anyone else thinks. Well, out here in the real world, that's just not how it works.
    I never called you a homophobe. I also believe this policy needs to be phased in slowly and responsibly. The problem here is that can be done after it is repealed. There is no conceivable reason that repeal has to be stalled. We can repeal this policy and allow the Pentagon to take its time in implementing the policies that need to be in place. It took 5 years after Truman signed the executive order to desegregate the armed forces for it be fully implemented.

    Why am I in a hurry? Because people are still getting discharged. Of course it doesn't bother you, but every day another gay person may be kicked out the military even if they have been serving admirably simply because they are gay. The longer this policy is on the books, the more people who get kicked out. So **** me if I have an "agenda" to see to it that honorable soldiers are not discharged because of their sexual orientation.

    And yes, there is a sense of urgency for us to get it repealed now because this lame duck session is our last chance to do it. McCain has vowed that he will not repeal DADT. He will ask for more hearings, more studies, and more time just so he can appease his far right political base.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I never called you a homophobe. I also believe this policy needs to be phased in slowly and responsibly. The problem here is that can be done after it is repealed. There is no conceivable reason that repeal has to be stalled. We can repeal this policy and allow the Pentagon to take its time in implementing the policies that need to be in place. It took 5 years after Truman signed the executive order to desegregate the armed forces for it be fully implemented.
    Who said anything about stalling the repeal? If we had a CIC, with a pair, he would lift the ban by executive order, and leave a redefined DADT policy in place. Then, the DOD could start ironing out the transition.

    Why am I in a hurry? Because people are still getting discharged. Of course it doesn't bother you, but every day another gay person may be kicked out the military even if they have been serving admirably simply because they are gay. The longer this policy is on the books, the more people who get kicked out. So **** me if I have an "agenda" to see to it that honorable soldiers are not discharged because of their sexual orientation.
    I doubt that gays are getting kicked everyday. Your post just goes to show that you're not nearly as interested in what's best for the country, or the armed forces, but what's good the gay community.

    And yes, there is a sense of urgency for us to get it repealed now because this lame duck session is our last chance to do it. McCain has vowed that he will not repeal DADT. He will ask for more hearings, more studies, and more time just so he can appease his far right political base.
    Well, don't be surprised if they don't pull it off.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And yes, there is a sense of urgency for us to get it repealed now because this lame duck session is our last chance to do it. McCain has vowed that he will not repeal DADT. He will ask for more hearings, more studies, and more time just so he can appease his far right political base.
    please stop. posting crap like this just makes you look stupid. No one on the far right likes McCain. he is waaaaaaaay too freaking "moderate" for their tastes.

    saying McCain has a far right political base is like saying Michael Jackson hated plastic surgery.
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