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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So you think discrimination prevents discrimination
    Care to explain to us how heightened privacy rules is dsicrimination?




    This transition has been going on for a while now.

    Show the official policy, set by the DOD, that discusses the transition of openly gay service members into the system.

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    How did he go against the Pentagon? The Pentagon was ordered by a federal court to stop the ban.
    And the military did. It was the Obama administration that said DADT is still in effect until further notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    And the military did. It was the Obama administration that said DADT is still in effect until further notice.
    That isn't true either. The White House went to the Appeals Court and asked them to stay the ruling. The Appeals Court then stayed the ruling.

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That isn't true either. The White House went to the Appeals Court and asked them to stay the ruling. The Appeals Court then stayed the ruling.
    After the judge made her announcement, the Pentagon pushed down to suspend DADT to all branches after the Air Force took it upon itself to do it. It was the Obama Administration, through the SECDEF, that ordered DADT as the current law of the land which reversed the Pentagon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    After the judge made her announcement, the Pentagon pushed down to suspend DADT to all branches after the Air Force took it upon itself to do it. It was the Obama Administration, through the SECDEF, that ordered DADT as the current law of the land which reversed the Pentagon.
    That isn't true. The Appeals Court ordered a stay on DADT. In fact, the Log Cabin Republicans were challenging the stay in the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court just decided to uphold it.

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That isn't true. The Appeals Court ordered a stay on DADT. In fact, the Log Cabin Republicans were challenging the stay in the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court just decided to uphold it.
    Just when?

    On October 12, 2010, Judge Phillips ordered the military to suspend and discontinue any investigation or discharge, separation, or other proceeding that have been commenced under the "Don't ask, don't tell".[28] The Department of Justice responded two days later with an appeal and the request for an emergency stay to allow them to continue to work under the policy
    In the mean time, the Pentagon issued orders to suspend DADT. It was the Obama adminisration that countered this. It is very true. Why the hell do you think he's getting so much flak for being weak on the subject by the gays? He's not the champion they thought he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    In the mean time, the Pentagon issued orders to suspend DADT.
    That is false. It was a federal judge that suspended DADT.

    Okay since you don't seem quite aware of the facts, I'll present some news stories.

    Federal judge orders immediate halt to 'Don't ask, Don't tell' ban on openly gay troops

    Federal judge orders immediate halt to 'Don't ask, Don't tell' ban on openly gay troops

    Pentagon Accepts Applications From Openly-Gay Recruits (in order to comply with federal judge's ruling)

    Pentagon Accepts Applications From Openly-Gay Recruits

    Appeals court keeps military gay policy for now...

    Appeals court keeps military gay policy for now | Top AP Stories | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

    Supreme Court: 'Don't ask, don't tell' OK during appeal

    Supreme Court: 'Don't ask, don't tell' OK during appeal - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

    It was the Obama adminisration that countered this.
    The Obama administration asked the courts to put a stay on the federal judge's ruling. Their positon has been that the policy needs to be repealed by Congress, not the courts.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is false. It was a federal judge that suspended DADT.

    Okay since you don't seem quite aware of the facts, I'll present some news stories.

    Federal judge orders immediate halt to 'Don't ask, Don't tell' ban on openly gay troops

    Federal judge orders immediate halt to 'Don't ask, Don't tell' ban on openly gay troops

    Pentagon Accepts Applications From Openly-Gay Recruits (in order to comply with federal judge's ruling)

    Pentagon Accepts Applications From Openly-Gay Recruits

    Appeals court keeps military gay policy for now...

    Appeals court keeps military gay policy for now | Top AP Stories | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

    Supreme Court: 'Don't ask, don't tell' OK during appeal

    Supreme Court: 'Don't ask, don't tell' OK during appeal - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

    The Obama administration asked the courts to put a stay on the federal judge's ruling. Their positon has been that the policy needs to be repealed by Congress, not the courts.


    What is wrong with you? This is exactly what I stated. Three posts in a row you stated I was false only to write exactly what I stated. You are making an argument over nothing.

    The judge spoke, the Pentagon issued orders to the branches. It was Obama's administration that reversed it and stated that DADT is still the law of the land. I don't care why he reversed it. His position is weakened now because he didn't let the Pentagon do what it ordered the branches to do. The fact is that the Pentagon as well as the branches are sick of hearing about gays. You can blame Republicans for making gays feel bad about themselves, but it was the White House that gummed this up.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    What is wrong with you? This is exactly what I stated. Three posts in a row you stated I was false only to write exactly what I stated. You are making an argument over nothing.
    You stated that it was the Pentagon that ordered the cease of DADT, when it was actually a federal judge and you argued that it was Obama that ordered that DADT continue when it was actually the Appeals Court. You were not even approximately correct.

    The judge spoke, the Pentagon issued orders to the branches.
    The Pentagon chose to comply with the judge orders.

    It was Obama's administration that reversed it and stated that DADT is still the law of the land.
    No, the Obama administration asked the Appeals court to stay the federal judges orders.

    I don't care why they reversed it.
    They didn't reverse it, the Appeals Court put a stay on the Federal judge's ruling.

    For some reason you seemed bound and determined to ignore the facts.

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sure, they have those policies in place. Wanna know what? Discrimination because of race, sex, creed, color and religion happens, anyway. Nothing will stop covert discrimination. A DADT policy will go along way to protect gays and straights from being discriminated against.

    Personally, I don't think throwing gay soldiers to the wolves is a good idea, not at first, anyway. If, after a few years and we see how things are going, then maybe it will be time to lift any and all DADT restrictions.

    Anyone that thinks we can make the transition, overnight is living a fantasy.
    Discrimination is always going to happen. Completely getting rid of DADT is the only way to effectively decrease discrimination against gays. Without DADT, gays will be able to report cases of discrimination without fear that they will be discharged, or under what you propose, punished because of their sexuality.
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