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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Failure to adhere to DADT regulations is a violation of Article 92 of the UCMJ, "Failure to obey an order, or regulation". The consequence can be a court martial. A court martial for the askers, as well as the tellers.
    Completely unnecessary, as others have pointed out to you, because no one has a right to ask or order you to reveal personal information about yourself without a darn good reason, such as a criminal investigation or medical information. And medical information is confidential.

    Also, there are rules against discrimination already in place. And there is no way to punish a heterosexual for being married when such a thing is encouraged, yet being married pretty much reveals a person's sexuality, depending on the sex of the person they are married to.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Completely unnecessary, as others have pointed out to you, because no one has a right to ask or order you to reveal personal information about yourself without a darn good reason, such as a criminal investigation or medical information. And medical information is confidential.

    Also, there are rules against discrimination already in place. And there is no way to punish a heterosexual for being married when such a thing is encouraged, yet being married pretty much reveals a person's sexuality, depending on the sex of the person they are married to.
    Actually, a commander does have the right to request personal information from a soldier.

    Why would you oppose a policy that would go a long way to prevent disccrimination? That's what doesn't make sense.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, a commander does have the right to request personal information from a soldier.

    Why would you oppose a policy that would go a long way to prevent disccrimination? That's what doesn't make sense.
    No they don't. A commander cannot ask a soldier, for instance, if the soldier has ever had sex outside of marriage just during a meeting or private conversation. The soldier is completely within their rights to tell the commander, respectfully, that it isn't their business and/or that the question was not appropriate. Any flak for not answering such a question could easily be reported to the Equal Opportunities officer or a formal report submitted beyond the CO.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Really?

    It's in the actual policy against homosexuals. So are you saying that had no information on why homosexuals are not allowed in the military?

    United States Code: Title 10,654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces | LII / Legal Information Institute

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    It is actually in the policy, and I'm pretty sure in the page 13 regarding homosexual conduct in the military (although this I could be wrong about).

    And it is taught, whether you realize it was taught to you or not. Otherwise, most of those who are against repealing DADT wouldn't use the almost exact phrasing for doing so.
    "Good order and disiplin".

    We were never taught bias, formaly or passivly. Even when we teased eachother with sexual references, etc, it was about that soldier's behavior and not some group.

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Good order and disiplin".

    We were never taught bias, formaly or passivly. Even when we teased eachother with sexual references, etc, it was about that soldier's behavior and not some group.
    Yeah...I don't believe that one bit. I know Marines and they claim that calling each other "fag" and "fairy" is pretty common in the service.

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Good order and disiplin".

    We were never taught bias, formaly or passivly. Even when we teased eachother with sexual references, etc, it was about that soldier's behavior and not some group.
    Which is exactly what I said was being taught, not the bias. The bit about homosexuality being detrimental to good order and discipline is what is being taught, eventhough no one has any proof that it is true. It is just being taught as if it is. And many soldiers and marines and other servicemembers are accepting that as the truth, even if they have nothing to back it up.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I''m only using the same argument that you've used all along. What's the problem?
    No, actually it has nothing to do with my argument. Nice try, but not even remotely close.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, a commander does have the right to request personal information from a soldier.

    Why would you oppose a policy that would go a long way to prevent disccrimination? That's what doesn't make sense.
    A commander does not have the right to question a soldier about his sex life.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't buy that argument at all. The reason is obvious. Just answer the following question:

    The one on The Left, obviously

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A commander does not have the right to question a soldier about his sex life.
    This conversation doesn't have to include sex at all. DADT would out a Soldier who tries to report a same-sex spouce for TriCare or survivor benifits.

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