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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The, "DT", is just an important as the, "DA". But, hey, you're a PFC, so there's no way to make you understand in the military. Hell, you don't even have the conception that I think that the ban on gays should be lifted.
    It doesn't make much sense to me. I don't see why gay soldiers would want to openly talk about their sexuality and I don't see why their superiors would want to ask them about it. My issue is with the ban and kicking out gay soldiers when their sexual orientation becomes known.

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

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    I don't buy that argument at all. The reason is obvious. Just answer the following question:

    It's a good idea to get rid of DADT for several reasons, with that one only being one. None of them are about teh gays wanting to flaunt their sexuality to all those hot men in the service.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    This all seems kind of irrelevant. It will probably be another 2-6 years before the policy is repealed.

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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This all seems kind of irrelevant. It will probably be another 2-6 years before the policy is repealed.
    I don't think so. I think after the results of the study come out in Dec., the military will almost fully support repealing DADT. And once the majority of the military brass are onboard for the repeal, it should get most of those in Congress onboard too. If they have the military saying that they want it that way, it would be stupid for them to go against what the military feels is best.

    Now, it could be put off for another couple of years. I just doubt it will be.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That doesn't make any sense. If gays aren't kicked out of the military when people find out they are gay, then what is the consequence?
    Failure to adhere to DADT regulations is a violation of Article 92 of the UCMJ, "Failure to obey an order, or regulation". The consequence can be a court martial. A court martial for the askers, as well as the tellers.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't buy that argument at all. The reason is obvious. Just answer the following question:

    Which one's the racist? Which is the Communist? You ready to end those bans, too? Or just the bans you disgree with and let the ones you agree with stand, irregardless if they're constitutional, or not?

    Double standard, much?
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Failure to adhere to DADT regulations is a violation of Article 92 of the UCMJ, "Failure to obey an order, or regulation". The consequence can be a court martial. A court martial for the askers, as well as the tellers.
    This seems unduly complicated. If I'm a soldier and my comrades want to know about my significant other, and I tell them I'm married to a man, would that constitute a court marshal for everyone involved? What if I'm at a strip club with some of my fellow soldiers and they notice I'm not particularly interested and they ask me if I'm gay and I inform them I am, would that constitute a court marshal for everyone? How about if I show up to a military social function with my significant other, would that constitute as "telling" and if so, how come the heterosexual soldiers can bring their significant others?

    Or is this only a situation where an officer orders their subordinates to report their sexuality? If that is the case, then DADT still has to be repealed for situatoins like the ones above.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which one's the racist? Which is the Communist? You ready to end those bans, too? Or just the bans you disgree with and let the ones you agree with stand, irregardless if they're constitutional, or not?

    Double standard, much?
    Hey, let's compare gays with racists and communists. Nothing better than a mindless appeal to emotion in a debate, it always works...
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This seems unduly complicated. If I'm a soldier and my comrades want to know about my significant other, and I tell them I'm married to a man, would that constitute a court marshal for everyone involved? What if I'm at a strip club with some of my fellow soldiers and they notice I'm not particularly interested and they ask me if I'm gay and I inform them I am, would that constitute a court marshal for everyone? How about if I show up to a military social function with my significant other, would that constitute as "telling" and if so, how come the heterosexual soldiers can bring their significant others?

    Or is this only a situation where an officer orders their subordinates to report their sexuality? If that is the case, then DADT still has to be repealed for situatoins like the ones above.
    Yes, asking and telling would be a violation of the UCMJ. Under the redefined version of DADT. Leaving DADT in place will protect gay and straight soldiers from being discriminated against, because of their sexuality.
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    Re: Ending US military gay ban 'won't harm war effort'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Hey, let's compare gays with racists and communists. Nothing better than a mindless appeal to emotion in a debate, it always works...
    I''m only using the same argument that you've used all along. What's the problem?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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