The problem I am seeing with a lot of arguments for torture is they are all attacking the terrorists.. they are scum, they don't deserve rights; think what they want to do to you.. they are evil, they deserve torture.
Waterboarding isn't torture, so your whole premise is moot.
If torture is what you're after... then Amnesia International should be on Clinton's doorstep for the practice of rendition. Clinton was responsible for sending people to countries that use torture. Which should lead Amnesia International where... to the doorsteps of these countries as well.
we don't really know the abuses at Gitmo.. There are allegations that people are and were being tortured there and they were denied trials. We don't know who was being tortured. We don't know everything.
Nobody died, nobody was maimed... they hazed them... aww jeeeez. Not nice, beneath us yes, but torture? No.
I remember those disgusting humiliating photos of the prisoner.. in homosexual poses and being attacked by dogs. That is sick and that was unacceptable.
They weren't attacked by dogs, they were intimidated by dogs. It's not sick, but it's not our shining moment either.
This is all ridiculous considering the conservatives who don't trust government, trust government to play politics with wiretapping us and torturing suspected terrorists.
Again, we didn't torture suspected terrorists. Waterboarding isn't torture.
None of it sounds like a good system to keep pursuing IMO. Something needs to change.. there needs to be openness. We can't hold people without trials and be waterboarding them and using other suspected torture techniques on them. We even gave the Nazis trails...
Yeah we did... AFTER we won the war.
1. They were nation states we were fighting.
2. They wore uniforms.
3. They surrendered.
So, until we have won the war... no trials. They can rot in Gitmo.
Do you realize all the people who stood up for their rights in the USSR weren't in uniform and didn't represent a country and were run over by Soviet tanks, shot to death, spied on, sent to gulag? Do you realize that that is the case for people standing up to oppressive governments all over the world, being marginalized and tortured, raped, etc? Does Nelson Mandela ring a bell?
Utterly disgusting.
Well, if that is the case, where has Amnesia International calling for all the Commi leaders to be put on trial for crimes against humanity? It's not too late y'know. Gorby should be first in line, and then we have the Chinese at Tiananmen Square alone. Where are the calls for L'il Kim in NK?
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