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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Many experts will tell you that torture is not a reliable source of gathering information. People will just lie to make the pain stop, even admitting to crimes they didn't commit. They may even be totally innocent or not actually have the information you want.

    Waterboarding is torture. Period. We executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding Americans, calling it torture and a war crime. Bush admitted to something America has deemed a war crime.
    We also condemend American soliders for waterboarding in VN, calling it torture.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Is Obama also part of this? I mean, he's currently in office, so he is linked to the ongoing waterboarding? Shouldn't Amnesty International also prosecute Obama with Bush? Just Saying.......

    Also, GITMO isn't closed yet.....
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He was tortured. That was the issue. That torture works. Waterboarding is just one form of torture. But it is torture.
    #1 -- I don't call that torture.
    #2 -- Even if it could be so defined, he was not protected by the Geneva Convention.
    #3 -- Any information we obtain from enemy combatants is likely to be false -- even if we say, "pretty please."

    October 5, 2006: Passage last month of military commissions legislation provided retroactive legal protection to those who carried out waterboarding and other coercive interrogation techniques.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100402005.html
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I am shocked that liberals would want to see GB prosecuted ! Shocked I tell you !!!

    Has MENSA called for the prosecution of Obama yet for being the dumbest President ever ? Whassup wit dat !
    The presidents for some time now have done things which are at best questionable. I don't think it's unreasonable to start enforcing some standards here. Maybe it should be looked into, maybe a lot of what government is doing should be investigated. We've allowed our politicians to operate with impunity as of late and it's not a good thing. Sometimes you gotta crack some skulls to get the rest to stay in line.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    #1 -- I don't call that torture.
    #2 -- Even if it could be so defined, he was not protected by the Geneva Convention.
    #3 -- Any information we obtain from enemy combatants is likely to be false -- even if we say, "pretty please."


    Waterboarding Historically Controversial - washingtonpost.com
    1, what you call it is meaningless. The US government has called it torture and so has the rest of the world. it is called the water torture.

    2. It is protected as it is torture.

    3. Some techinques simply work better. I posted some testimony on the other thread.

    Also, legal protection is not equal to being morally right. Nor does it mean they did not break the law when they did it. it just means we're not going to prosecute them. And it would be unfair to do so without prosecuting those who allowed it, encouraged it, including the president of the US at the time.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    Is Obama also part of this? I mean, he's currently in office, so he is linked to the ongoing waterboarding? Shouldn't Amnesty International also prosecute Obama with Bush? Just Saying.......

    Also, GITMO isn't closed yet.....
    Is there on going waterboarding? Obama has called an end to it, at least offically. And this isn't about Gitmo being open, something he could use some help on.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    hmm, i wonder why obama won't MOVE on this

    BBC NEWS | Americas | Obama exempts CIA 'torture' staff

    LOL!

    this complaint will get no farther than a thousand mindless posts in some silly chatroom

    in other words, get real

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    The complaint won't go further. I think we all accept that. It would not be right to punish the underlings without punishing the leaders, including Bush. That would be painful and very divisive. It would take more will than we have today.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I support this and basically feel that these activities constitute a war crime.
    Imagine for a moment that you discovered GWB knew he could have kept a 200kt nuke from going off in NYC by waterboarding a terrorist, but didn't allow it, and so a million or so people died.

    Did GWB do the right thing?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    How ridiculous that people are still arguing about whether water-boarding is torture or not. Amazing how effective a little agitprop can be. There is no serious disagreement as to whether or not waterboarding is torture. It is, that is a given.

    For everybody denying that waterboarding is torture, wise up folks. Of course it is!

    As for everybody who admits it is torture but thinks it should be policy anyway to "save lives," I shake my head in shame.
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