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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't know her well enough to know. But good people, no matter what party they belong to, don't excuse torture.
    So you are a good person, huh?

    How wonderful that must be for you, and all those in your presence.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't know her well enough to know. But good people, no matter what party they belong to, don't excuse torture.
    You don't have to know her. You know enough about her, according to your own theory, that she is not a good person.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you are a good person, huh?

    How wonderful that must be for you, and all those in your presence.
    If there was only one critieria for a good person, you might be right. But I've made no claim about myself either way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You don't have to know her. You know enough about her, according to your own theory, that she is not a good person.
    Actually, I don't. I didn't see her making an convoluted argument concerning torture. I have a dispute about what she was told. So I really don't. But it doesn't matter, as I have said, if she made excuses for it, she can't be a good person. Good people simply don't excuse torture. I mean, exactly who would Jesus torture?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Let me ask you, could we have lost? Could al Qaeda actually beat us? Iraq? Afghanistan? All of them together? I suspect you know as well as I do that they could not. So, there wasn't that kind of threat.
    Well, I didn't mean to imply that I expected Osama bin Laden to triumphantly enter Washington, D.C. followed by a cadre of muftis and imams to help him lower the American flag flying over the U.S. Capital. What I meant was when terrorists do something like fly airplanes into major infrastructure and kill thousands of our citizens, our government has failed in carrying out its most fundamental duty: securing the lives of its citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There may be a place where law doesn't matter, and we have to with a heavy heart break our own moral code. But we shouldn't pretend this was that place. A country who prides itself as being made of laws, has to obey those laws. A people who claim to be moral must act moral and not just talk the talk. The president did a bad thing, an immoral thing, an illegal thing. And did so not openly, but dishonestly. I see no reason to respect that.
    Let me ask you: When a president has sworn an oath to defend the lives of Americans, how many is he supposed to sacrifice so he can act moral?
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, I didn't mean to imply that I expected Osama bin Laden to triumphantly enter Washington, D.C. followed by a cadre of muftis and imams to help him lower the American flag flying over the U.S. Capital. What I meant was when terrorists do something like fly airplanes into major infrastructure and kill thousands of our citizens, our government has failed in carrying out its most fundamental duty: securing the lives of its citizens.
    Yes, they do. And we knew about without torture. All that we lacked was the CIA and the FBI talking to each other.


    Let me ask you: When a president has sworn an oath to defend the lives of Americans, how many is he supposed to sacrifice so he can act moral?
    Before he abandons rule of law, there has to be rather large threshold. Someone might ask, if I rape a child to save lives, is that OK? First, you'd have to know it would actually save a life. And second, you have to know there is no other way. But sometimes, you have to say the risk is so minor, so unlikely that I won't do it anyway. Bush was never faced with such a decision. He merely took advantage of our fear, and we allowed him to do this without asking near enough questions.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    if I rape a child to save lives, is that OK?
    you're comparing the employment of eit's against al qaeda operatives who might know something to the rape of some little girl?

    LOL!

    how do you come up with so many deep and weighty thoughts in so many 60 second intervals?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you're comparing the employment of eit's against al qaeda operatives who might know something to the rape of some little girl?

    LOL!

    how do you come up with so many deep and weighty thoughts in so many 60 second intervals?
    Don't be stupid. I arguing that once we excuse behavior for the sake of safety, we can excuse any action.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't be stupid. I arguing that once we excuse behavior for the sake of safety, we can excuse any action.
    How about you not be stupid yourself? Aside from it being a whopper of slippery slope argument, there are plenty of allowances of otherwise disallowed behavior in cases of exigency. You might want to look up the term.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How about you not be stupid yourself? Aside from it being a whopper of slippery slope argument, there are plenty of allowances of otherwise disallowed behavior in cases of exigency. You might want to look up the term.
    There was no emergency. Remember, we're talking about justification outside of any need for them. Once you start doing that, you can literally use anything. The slope really is slippery.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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