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Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

Grant said:
Perhaps all this debate might have been eliminated if the terrorists had only signed onto the Geneva Conventions.
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ROTFLOL...

Ba-Ding!

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ReverendHellh0und said:
I just love being told 20 years later I had a "safe word".... :shrug:
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Don't get me confused with Boo. I don't pretend to know anything about the nature of the training exercises.

But the absence of a "safe word" is not relevant. Do you deny that water-boarding as part of military training is consented to? I think you're being purposefully disingenuous here. There is no comparison between war-boarding a criminal and water-boarding a military trainee. You yourself have acknowledged that a candidate can always wash out.
 
zimmer said:
This the most bizarre logic... in fact it's not logic because it's not logical.

We commit war crimes against our troops.

Phew.

Waterboarding isn't torture, that is why we can expose our troops to it.

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If you have sex with your wife is it a crime?


Answer it depends on consent doesnt it
 
Guy Incognito said:
An act cannot be torture if it is done with consent, ergo we do not commit war crimes against our own troops.
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even when the consent is gained under duress or is coerced?

Example:

Training instructor: you will submit to this "procedure" or you will be ejected from this school. if you are ejected from this school it will reflect poorly on your record and decrease your chances for promotion. Is there anyone here who does not give their consent?

Trainees: (in unison) SIR, NO SIR!!!!!!
 
Goobieman said:
And none of -that- negates that the fact that, sometimes, it is the correct course of action.
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Once again, you're equivocating with the word "correct." We're not talking about conscience, we're talking about law. Legally, torture is always a war crime, so it is never the "correct" course of action.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Don't get me confused with Boo. I don't pretend to know anything about the nature of the training exercises.
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He sure does. :shrug:

But the absence of a "safe word" is not relevant. Do you deny that water-boarding as part of military training is consented to? I think you're being purposefully disingenuous here. There is no comparison between war-boarding a criminal and water-boarding a military trainee. You yourself have acknowledged that a candidate can always wash out.
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I signed up for the USAF for TACP, I had no idea what "waterboarding" was, until I felt that first drop. so yes I "consented" however, I had no idea what I was consenting too actually. They kind of did that on purpose.
 
OscarB63 said:
even when the consent is gained under duress or is coerced?

Example:

Training instructor: you will submit to this "procedure" or you will be ejected from this school. if you are ejected from this school it will reflect poorly on your record and decrease your chances for promotion. Is there anyone here who does not give their consent?

Trainees: (in unison) SIR, NO SIR!!!!!!
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I wouldn't call that duress. I think that's exceedingly insulting to the brave soldiers who undergo the training, and our military in general.
 
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megaprogman said:
Amnesty International Calls to Prosecute Bush for Admitted Waterboarding



I support this and basically feel that these activities constitute a war crime.
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So are you going to prosecute the members of Congress that turned their eyes away from what you call an illegal activity? If this was illegal then why didn't Congress under Democrat control from 2007-2008 bring articles of Impeachment against President Bush? Seems to me that logic and common sense escapes most liberals. It wasn't illegal and I don't think much of Amnesty International which is simply trying to make political points with their supporters. No one is going to prosecute President Bush for war crimes. Get over it!
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I signed up for the USAF for TACP, I had no idea what "waterboarding" was, until I felt that first drop. so yes I "consented" however, I had no idea what I was consenting too actually. They kind of did that on purpose.
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I have no doubt that the training is hell. That is part of the reason why I have so much respect for our military. They are truly the best in the world, and I admire anyone who would undergo something like water-boarding to protect my freedoms. Lord knows it's more than I deserve.

But I'm not going to belittle that sacrifice by saying it was coerced. If the government subjected military recruits to water boarding under true duress it would be criminal. But the fact is that the recruits do, with great bravery, consent to the treatment.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
He sure does. :shrug:




I signed up for the USAF for TACP, I had no idea what "waterboarding" was, until I felt that first drop. so yes I "consented" however, I had no idea what I was consenting too actually. They kind of did that on purpose.
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So you were tortured...
What year was that?
I think Amnesia International has a few hundred more scalps to go after.

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Guy Incognito said:
I wouldn't call that duress. I think that's exceedingly insulting to the brave soldiers who undergo the training, and our military in general.
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duh...I am one of those "brave soldiers" who underwent the training. and unless you have ever been in the military you have no idea what is or is not duress when it comes to giving your consent to training.
 
Conservative said:
So are you going to prosecute the members of Congress that turned their eyes away from what you call an illegal activity? If this was illegal then why didn't Congress under Democrat control from 2007-2008 bring articles of Impeachment against President Bush? Seems to me that logic and common sense escapes most liberals. It wasn't illegal and I don't think much of Amnesty International which is simply trying to make political points with their supporters. No one is going to prosecute President Bush for war crimes. Get over it!
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What are you trying to get Coranado to come over to this thread and give you the same spanking he gave you in that other one?
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while chatroomers speculate meaningfully about how things should be, here in reality (which, in my world, at least, always trumps chin stroking sophistry) this issue is going nowhere beyond bunches of blather clicked and submitted

in other words, it's a POLITICAL LOSER

put it this way, if he could in any way gain from action here, there is no doubt obnoxious obama would direct eager eric holder to PROCEED

he's NOT and he WON'T

carry on
 
Guy Incognito said:
But the fact is that the recruits do, with great bravery, consent to the treatment.
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they consent because they have no choice. you either consent or you go home. not much of a choice is it? try looking up the definition of "coercion" in the dicitionary

Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner by use of threats, intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.
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Conservative said:
So are you going to prosecute the members of Congress that turned their eyes away from what you call an illegal activity? If this was illegal then why didn't Congress under Democrat control from 2007-2008 bring articles of Impeachment against President Bush? Seems to me that logic and common sense escapes most liberals. It wasn't illegal and I don't think much of Amnesty International which is simply trying to make political points with their supporters. No one is going to prosecute President Bush for war crimes. Get over it!
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If they really go after Bush, they should at least go after Pelosi. She was briefed on it and never objected.
 
megaprogman said:
What are you trying to get Coranado to come over to this thread and give you the same spanking he gave you in that other one?
:lol:
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Interesting how liberals always stick together and claim they give someone else a spanking when the reality is most liberals in this forum don't have the ability to spank anyone as opinions don't trump actual facts and reality. Some liberals are pure trolls who never answer direct questions, don't like to be challenged, then never admit when wrong.
 
Conservative said:
Interesting how liberals always stick together and claim they give someone else a spanking when the reality is most liberals in this forum don't have the ability to spank anyone as opinions don't trump actual facts and reality. Some liberals are pure trolls who never answer direct questions, don't like to be challenged, then never admit when wrong.
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So what does running away from the other thread mega referenced say about your political lean? Hmm ...

EDIT: I'm not a liberal. Learn to read.
 
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Conservative said:
Interesting how liberals always stick together and claim they give someone else a spanking when the reality is most liberals in this forum don't have the ability to spank anyone as opinions don't trump actual facts and reality. Some liberals are pure trolls who never answer direct questions, don't like to be challenged, then never admit when wrong.
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if you have to tell someone you gave them a spanking...you probably didn't :shrug:
 
Coronado said:
So what does running away from the other thread mega referenced say about your political lean? Hmm ...
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I am still waiting for you to explain why you condone a Congress run by Democrats from 2007-2008 that allowed "illegal" activities to be authorized by the President of the United States?
 
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