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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So you're saying the end justifies the means?



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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    So now you are saying you would torture for your family but not for your country.

    Say there was a terrorist with a nuke inside Australia and it was going to kill 5 million women and children and by the means of torture you can stop it from being detonated? You claiming you wouldnt torture then?

    Funny how when its YOUR family you would but believe anyone else family isn't worth it. How typically liberal of you.


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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post

    Are you really saying the aggressors in an invasion are innocent people? And that you would have no qualms if a Taliban fighter tortured info out of a US soldier to save his family from a drone strike?



    what do you mean, if?


    Who is the taliban trying to save? No they would torture to maintain thier opressive barbaric regieme. Different circumstances.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I would do it and happily accept punishment as I would have deserved, knowing that I did the right thing. Two wrongs do not make a right.



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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Commander Frank Wead, United States Navy:



    SERE Training of our own military includes (included?) waterboarding. (The D.O.D. will not comment on whether or not it is still using waterboarding in SERE training.)

    I see a few problems with indicting George Bush:

    #1 -- Is waterboarding torture? Congress was asked to legislate that it indeed was and declined to do so. Our own military uses waterboarding as a training technique.
    #2 -- Are terrorists protected by any treaties signed by the US outlawing torture? Or are they excluded?
    #3 -- If waterboarding of terrorist suspects was indeed illegal, why did President Obama issue an Executive Order banning its use?


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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I don't even know how to form a good response to such blatant and hateful bigotry.
    If you think that's "bigotry," I don't know why anyone should ever take you seriously.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If you think that's "bigotry," I don't know why anyone should ever take you seriously.



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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're rather violent aren't you?
    No, I'm just telling it like it is. Obama was supposed to clean things up by closing Gitmo by January, 2010. Under Obama's convoluted logic, terrorists are innocent until proven guilty, unless you kill them first with a drone. And we don't know how many civilians the Hypocrite-in-Chief has killed:

    In the 21 months since his inauguration, President Obama has ordered or approved 120 drone attacks on Pakistan. There were 22 such attacks in September 2010 alone, reportedly killing more than 100 people. In contrast, Obama's predecessor Bush ordered just 60 attacks in eight years.

    Obama has made drones the centerpiece of his strategy in the fight against the Taliban and al-Qaida. These terrifying weapons circle over Afghanistan and Pakistan, changing the war and making it colder and more anonymous than before. They pose a constant threat, can be operated with the push of a button and, according to the CIA, are precise -- at least most of the time.

    The drone war is being waged by the US Army, by the US Air Force and, most of all, by the CIA. It is taking place in a shadowy realm beyond the reach of war tribunals, public debate and the media. The only time it made headlines recently, and then only for a day, was when it resulted in the deaths of a number of German citizens. The men, who were killed in a drone attack on Oct. 4, were presumed terrorists who were passing through the town of Mir Ali in the Pakistani region of North Waziristan....

    The CIA doesn't release any numbers -- not about its successes and certainly not about civilian casualties. It attacked Baitullah Mehsud, the head of the Pakistani Taliban, 16 times. In other words, either informants or the drones' cameras identified Mehsud's location 16 times and the drones fired 16 times. The first 15 tries failed. Then, in the last attempt, when the report was correct and Mehsud was in fact at his father-in-law's house, Mehsud and 10 friends and relatives were killed. According to sources in Islamabad, CIA drones killed some 700 civilians in 2009.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    This whole situation is a perfect example of why international law is a joke. Bush could've personally raped and killed Iraqi children and then ate their still beating hearts, but the US is never going to prosecute a former President. Nor will we extradite him. And no other country has the combination of sufficient political will and military might to come and take him by force. With no international police force to enforce it, international law will always be selectively enforced and flouted by the most powerful nations whenever it becomes unduly inconvienent. We should embrace this fact and act in whatever manner best advances our interests.

    And that doesn't mean I endorse a policy of torture. In certain extreme circumstances, yes, I could see it allowing it. But as a policy, I think it undermines our "we're the good guys" propoganda message while giving us at best faulty information.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He was tortured. That was the issue. That torture works. Waterboarding is just one form of torture. But it is torture.

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