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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read what you quoted. Water torture is waterboarding. Just because there were other charges as well doesn't make the waterboarding charge disappear.



    Clear would actually mean he didn't do it, not that that doing it was acceptable. Being investigated itself means he was investigated for doing something wrong, so I disagree with your conclusion. However, i've read or found nothing saying he was accquitted. Perhaps you could link that.



    No, it is not materially different. All forms of the water torture do exactly the same thing. I've seen this type of rationalizing before, but it is factually incorrect.

    Techniques using forcible drowning to extract information had hitherto been referred to as "water torture," "water treatment," "water cure" or simply "torture."[6][31] A UPI article in 1976 used the term 'water board' torture: "[U.S. Navy trainees] were strapped down and water poured into their mouths and noses until they lost consciousness... A Navy spokesman admitted use of the 'water board' torture... to 'convince each trainee that he won't be able to physically resist what an enemy would do to him.'"[6]

    Professor Darius Rejali of Reed College, author of Torture and Democracy (2007), speculates that the term waterboarding probably has its origin in the need for a euphemism. "There is a special vocabulary for torture. When people use tortures that are old, they rename them and alter them a wee bit. They invent slightly new words to mask the similarities. This creates an inside club, especially important in work where secrecy matters. Waterboarding is clearly a jailhouse joke. It refers to surfboarding"– a word found as early as 1929– "they are attaching somebody to a board and helping them surf. Torturers create names that are funny to them".[6]

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    Same torture under a different name. See the link above.
    I'm convinced you didn't read my post, or conveniently skipped over the clear differences between Japanese "water torture" and "waterboarding" as we are debating. Last time I read anything about it, we were not shoving tubes into terrorists mouths and forcing them to consume large amounts of water. That has actually been used as an execution technique in the past, so to say there is no difference is intellectually dishonest.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    There is no magical power but there is actual caring for the military and those that served, not some trumped up claim that you care about our troops. All you and your ilk care about is destroying someone that you disagree with, someone that did absolutely nothing to you but keep you safe. I don't know why I bother but conservatives do actually care about your safety and conservatives don't really care how much you make or pay in taxes. You, on the other hand, make up issues and buy what you are told by people who really don't care about you at all.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So which "part" are you agreeing with, exactly?
    GW Bush did nothing wrong and as a conservative I find it interesting that I seem to care more about keeping you alive than you do.
    It is very frustrating to read this thread. I feel strongly that Bush did nothing wrong. I also feel strongly that waterboarding is not torture. The word torture should be reserved for things like this:

    Another description of Japanese "water torture":A type of funnel, usually formed from a towel, was placed over the victim's mouth and nose. At the same time, a 5-gallon can was filled with water and usually urine and kerosine. The concoction was poured into the funnel, and the victim had to either swallow all 5 gallons of this mixture or drown.

    Having swallowed 5 gallons of this liquid, the victim's stomach would stretch and swell. The victim would then be bound, often with barbed wire, and the stomach would be struck, either with a rod of some sort or soldiers would even jump on it, depending on how the prisoner was bound. This pressure could easily cause the bloated stomach to burst. If not, the victim was then hanged by his ankles and the liquid would drain out through his mouth, risking drowning once again. The process could then be repeated.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    I'm convinced you didn't read my post, or conveniently skipped over the clear differences between Japanese "water torture" and "waterboarding" as we are debating. Last time I read anything about it, we were not shoving tubes into terrorists mouths and forcing them to consume large amounts of water. That has actually been used as an execution technique in the past, so to say there is no difference is intellectually dishonest.
    No, you're skipping that there are many different ways to do the same thing. Waterboarding is just a euphemism for what has always been called the watert torture. No credible person is making the distinction you're trying to make.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bush allowed it. it was illegal. Obama made a clear statement.

    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Wednesday night that waterboarding authorized by former President George W. Bush was torture . . . .

    Obama says waterboarding was torture

    he did not say, is now. He said was. When Bush did it, it was torture.
    If President Bush did something illegal he had an obligation as a Senator to call for Impeachment charges and didn't. There was no need to issue an executive order for something that WAS torture, his executive order made waterboarding illegal.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bush allowed it. it was illegal. Obama made a clear statement.

    WASHINGTON President Barack Obama said Wednesday night that waterboarding authorized by former President George W. Bush was torture . . . .

    Obama says waterboarding was torture

    he did not say, is now. He said was. When Bush did it, it was torture.
    Obama does not have the authority to make retroactive law...

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is very frustrating to read this thread. I feel strongly that Bush did nothing wrong. I also feel strongly that waterboarding is not torture. The word torture should be reserved for things like this:
    It is even more frustrating when the same people keep making the same false assumptions about my position on the matter, despite being corrected on it previously.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If President Bush did something illegal he had an obligation as a Senator to call for Impeachment charges and didn't. There was no need to issue an executive order for something that WAS torture, his executive order made waterboarding illegal.
    Wish he would have, but no. You do not have to presecute anyone who breaks a law. We should, but it is not required. A police officer can let you go and not give a ticket. you would not like governmebnt if we constantly prosecuted everyone who committed a crime. I might, but you wouldn't.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Obama does not have the authority to make retroactive law...
    It was law to begin with. Torture is and was illegal.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    I'm convinced you didn't read my post, or conveniently skipped over the clear differences between Japanese "water torture" and "waterboarding" as we are debating. Last time I read anything about it, we were not shoving tubes into terrorists mouths and forcing them to consume large amounts of water. That has actually been used as an execution technique in the past, so to say there is no difference is intellectually dishonest.
    what is the difference in the below and what bush authorized?

    In the aftermath of World War II, Japanese officer Yukio Asano is charged by a US war crimes tribunal for torturing a US civilian. Asano had used the technique of “waterboarding” on the prisoner (see 1800 and After). The civilian was strapped to a stretcher with his feet in the air and head towards the floor, and water was poured over his face, causing him to gasp for air until he agreed to talk. Asano is convicted and sentenced to 15 years of hard labor. Other Japanese officers and soldiers are also tried and convicted of war crimes that include waterboarding US prisoners. “All of these trials elicited compelling descriptions of water torture from its victims, and resulted in severe punishment for its perpetrators,” reporter Evan Wallach will later write. In 2006, Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA), discussing allegations of US waterboarding of terror suspects, will say in regards to the Asano case, “We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II.” [Washington Post, 10/5/2006; National Public Radio, 11/3/2007]
    Entity Tags: Yukio Asano, Evan Wallach, Edward Kennedy
    Timeline Tags: Torture of US Captives


    Context of '1947: Japanese Soldier Who Waterboarded US Civilian Convicted of War Crime'

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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