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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    don't send it to me, silly

    send it to the ag

    maybe then he'll ACT

    after all, talk is very, very cheap

    LOL!
    Other than not allowing it anymore, or pretending there is a debate, no one is going to act. But that has nothing to do with what's being argued.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, that rant was on the silly side to say the least. Let's focus. Waterboarding has always been torture. No matter what you think of who is being torutred, like that fellow from Canada who had the msifortune to have the wrong name, innocent and tortured, or that fellow in Afghanistan who was just a simple cab driver, tortured, and killed, innocent. Those people are of no concern, as long as you can find someone you hate.

    again, the fact is it has always been torture, and still is. There should nt be any debate on that. and I don't think there is honest debate.
    If Waterboarding has always been torture why did Obama have to issue an executive order making it illegal?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If Waterboarding has always been torture why did Obama have to issue an executive order making it illegal?
    Because Bush pretended there was a deabte. he led the mindless into excuse what was never excused before. Ever read history?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because Bush pretended there was a deabte. he led the mindless into excuse what was never excused before. Ever read history?
    Again, no answer to the question just more diversion. I know you don't like Bush but try to stay focused. If waterboarding was illegal then Obama wouldn't have had to define it and make it illegal. That is logic 101.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, no answer to the question just more diversion. I know you don't like Bush but try to stay focused. If waterboarding was illegal then Obama wouldn't have had to define it and make it illegal. That is logic 101.
    The question was answered. Obama took over after Bush pretended that torture had never been defined as torture. Anyone looking at history knows better. In this thread I've linked a little history.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The question was answered. Obama took over after Bush pretended that torture had never been defined as torture. Anyone looking at history knows better. In this thread I've linked a little history.
    Bush was told that Waterboarding wasn't torture and thus he authorized the waterboarding of 3 high valued leaders. Try to stay focused. Obama issued an executive order to make something that was already illegal, illegal? LOL, this really is a joke, right?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Bush was told that Waterboarding wasn't torture and thus he authorized the waterboarding of 3 high valued leaders. Try to stay focused. Obama issued an executive order to make something that was already illegal, illegal? LOL, this really is a joke, right?
    speaks very poorly of bush, now doesn't it?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Except for the tiny detail that the guys detained at GITMO, according to the GC's definition, are not POWs and therefore do not fall under the protection of the GC.

    Not saying that this makes it OK to "torture" them. You just can't use the GC to argue that such "torture" is illegal. simply that the framers did not have terrorist insurgents in mind when the GC was written.
    Either they're enemy combatants and are thus prisoners of war, or the war is an which they're being taken prisoner in is an illegal war. Bush is a war criminal either way. Show me some explanation where a person who uses weapons in violent efforts conducted against citizens of a different country is not a combatant, and thus fall under prisoners of war. Rhetoric and bull**** employed by the administration drew that difference, in a highly illegal way.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    speaks very poorly of bush, now doesn't it?
    I doubt there is anything Bush could do right in your world but the reality is you listen to your attorneys and that is what Bush did. Now how about answering the question.

    If waterboarding was illegal why did Obama have to issue an executive order making it illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In the war crimes tribunals that followed Japan's defeat in World War II, the issue of waterboarding was sometimes raised. In 1947, the U.S. charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.

    "All of these trials elicited compelling descriptions of water torture from its victims, and resulted in severe punishment for its perpetrators," writes Evan Wallach in the Columbia Journal of Transnational Law.


    On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post ran a front-page photo of a U.S. soldier supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier. The caption said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk." The picture led to an Army investigation and, two months later, the court martial of the soldier.

    Waterboarding: A Tortured History : NPR
    Damn 25-minute time limit. I just spent 30 minutes editing that post with added information...

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