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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Where's the crime scene? How are we supposed to gather evidence if the fighting is still active? If they were shooting at us, who were shooting back at them, what crime did they commit? You really think it's better (and puts us in a better light around the world) to try and execute enemy combatants while the fight is still going on? Better to execute them than to hold them without trial until the fighting is over? Really?
    LOL@ your question seriously.

    I don't know why some of you keep pounding me with questions that have obvious common sense answers. You do realize that everybody has a right to trial, but if they are being a threat and using lethal violence and putting others in danger.. police, other officials, or even civilians are in the right to use lethal force against them. It's pretty cut and dry, simple thing to understand.

    Now wtf does this have to do with holding people prisoner in gitmo for conspiracy to commit a terrorist act for years, and not giving them a trial?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    They have lots of authority to do lots of things, but making laws isn't one of them.
    I got my information for my sources, which I cited. People were punished and discipled by the military for waterboarding during the Vietnam war.. It was made illegal through the military court system. I am sure generals had the power and authority to sway the courts or make recommendations.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Read your own link, you posted it but didn;t know what was in it. I am still waiting for you to explain why Obama had to issue an executive order that made Waterboarding illegal if it was alreayd declared illegal by the courts. By the time that the Courts did rule the Waterboarding had already taken place and then you ignore that the Congress made the military commissions legal by law. Courts interpret the law and the Congress makes the laws. An Activist Court seems to be what liberals always want.

    The issue here is waterboarding and since it wasn't defined Bush broke no laws.
    There was no law expressively stating waterboarding was was legal nor illegal.. the debate hinges on other facts that have pointed out and disgusted. You can sit here and say Bush broke no laws all you want. You can even believe it, if you want.. because there more than likely won't be a trial. But if it did go to trail and this is Bush's only defense, there are just as equally qualifying arguments against his admin. Keep beating this drum all you want, it doesn't prove s**t.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    I am still wondering where the Geneva Convention says it is ok to torture people..

    I have heard several people make the statement that it is acceptable to torture nonmilitary, stateless people under the Geneva Convention.. but I am not sure where to find the specifics.

    Thanks

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    A new LAW demanding all who run for President must prove it and in court if need be, and if found to have run illegally you get a mandatory 10 years in Federal prison no exceptions and Presidents can never declare a Presidential pardon for any crime committed by anyone in the administration of the President charged with any crime, or misdemeanor, including removed Presidents.But none of that's not going to happen either, because it's too close to justice......
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Two posts now without an argument. That's enough to consider you forfeiting the debate, but since I'm a nice guy I'll gice you one more crack at it.

    Got any way to demostrate that the states didn't cede sovereignty to the federal government? Of course you don't, because you are factually incorrect. The states did cede a portion of their sovereignty to the federal government. That's where the federal government gets its power from in the first place! It's a very bizarre misunderstanding of history you seem to have here, j-mac.

    Not at all. I have reconsidered whether or not expanding on this would be a diversion from the topic. However, I would very much like to school you in where your misinterpreted thoughts about the all supreme power of the Federal government is totally wrong. Maybe one of the other forums.

    You also make mention that Bush should be prosecuted for waterboarding three individuals. I remember the AG Holder looking into this very thing concerning Bush's legal team, the ones who advised Bush that Waterboarding as we were doing it was in fact legal. He dropped the case, and would not prosecute anyone. Can you give us a reason why if it is so clear cut?


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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am still wondering where the Geneva Convention says it is ok to torture people..

    I have heard several people make the statement that it is acceptable to torture nonmilitary, stateless people under the Geneva Convention.. but I am not sure where to find the specifics.

    Thanks
    Have you read the Geneva Convention documents? Please read it and then get back to us. What happens when a soldier is caught in a foreign country during war time and is out of uniform? Does the Geneva Convention cover them?

    Now for the issue of Waterboarding, as has been pointed out, Generals do not make the laws and everyone is entitled to an opinion. If waterboarding was illegal when Bush authorized it, why did Obama have to issue an Executive Order making Waterboarding illegal?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    If waterboarding was illegal when Bush authorized it, why did Obama have to issue an Executive Order making Waterboarding illegal?
    the question that none of the Bush haters can answer.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    If waterboarding was illegal when Bush authorized it, why did Obama have to issue an Executive Order making Waterboarding illegal?
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    the question that none of the Bush haters can answer.
    To make himself look more Presidential.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all. I have reconsidered whether or not expanding on this would be a diversion from the topic. However, I would very much like to school you in where your misinterpreted thoughts about the all supreme power of the Federal government is totally wrong. Maybe one of the other forums.

    You also make mention that Bush should be prosecuted for waterboarding three individuals. I remember the AG Holder looking into this very thing concerning Bush's legal team, the ones who advised Bush that Waterboarding as we were doing it was in fact legal. He dropped the case, and would not prosecute anyone. Can you give us a reason why if it is so clear cut?


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