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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't think anything is going to happen to Bush.. nothing happened to Clinton for lying under oath and that is a crime. Politicians aren't held accountable for anything.. not even by the voters. American voters can be horrendously stupid people.

    But I don't see how people who supported the war are an accessory to torture..

    The problem I am seeing with a lot of arguments for torture is they are all attacking the terrorists.. they are scum, they don't deserve rights; think what they want to do to you.. they are evil, they deserve torture.

    I don't disagree with that. They deserve torture, but I am also coming from the POV that we are held by our constitutional principles and, as a people, we don't really know the abuses at Gitmo.. There are allegations that people are and were being tortured there and they were denied trials. We don't know who was being tortured. We don't know everything.

    I remember those disgusting humiliating photos of the prisoner.. in homosexual poses and being attacked by dogs. That is sick and that was unacceptable.

    We don't even know who was being held there and why.. their names and accusations..

    I don't understand why it is controversial for us all to ask wtf is really going on.. I remember that memo that Limbaugh and the right got so upset over, saying conservatives were being labeled terrorists. We have people on the terrorist watch list and they don't even know why or how they are on it. They can't get off it either.

    This is all ridiculous considering the conservatives who don't trust government, trust government to play politics with wiretapping us and torturing suspected terrorists.

    None of it sounds like a good system to keep pursuing IMO. Something needs to change.. there needs to be openness. We can't hold people without trials and be waterboarding them and using other suspected torture techniques on them. We even gave the Nazis trails...
    Would it be better to try them and execute them, or let them go back home so that they can shoot at us again? Or is it better to simply hold them until this mess simmers down? One of those three options is better for all involved...

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Of course people have discerning opinions and views.. They don't like the laws, so they try to get out of them and weasel around them. However, the facts are pretty cut and dry..


    Waterboarding IS*TORTURE - Page 1

    I don't expect any president to know everything.. and I don't expect every single person on their legal teams to not be corrupt either. However, I am sure that somebody on Bush's team knew the history and still gave the go head. That is why they tried to argue that it worked, played semantics, and tried to argue the UN should be disbanned.. The smart people on his team knew it wasn't so simple to waterboard.


    Waterboarding causes the victim to feel and believe they are in threat of imminent death, and it can cause death.

    Bush tried to cover his own ass and did that out of convenience, not political honesty.. Obama played the same game. The difference IMO is Bush thinks he has a moral obligation, and Obama thinks he has obligations through moral and legal principle.
    Respectfully, US generals do not make law. Because some from the Viet Nam war declared it against their rules doesn't mean it's a war crime.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    A private citizen would not be acting in an official capacity and, thus, not capable of torture...not that waterboarding is torture in the first place.
    He was acting in an official capacity when he committed the torture, but is now a private citizen and no longer immune as a head of state, thus he can be tried for the torture he had previously committed.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    He was acting in an official capacity when he committed the torture, but is now a private citizen and no longer immune as a head of state, thus he can be tried for the torture he had previously committed.
    No cigar here.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    He was acting in an official capacity when he committed the torture, but is now a private citizen and no longer immune as a head of state, thus he can be tried for the torture he had previously committed.
    Still waiting for you or anyone else to prove that Waterboarding was torture? Also waiting for an explanation as to if waterboarding was illegal why did Obama have to issue an executive order. Strike 3, you are out!

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Still waiting for you or anyone else to prove that Waterboarding was torture? Also waiting for an explanation as to if waterboarding was illegal why did Obama have to issue an executive order. Strike 3, you are out!

    Is water boarding only torture when some other nation does it say like Japan?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is water boarding only torture when some other nation does it say like Japan?
    You have to remember that the Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding U.S. soldiers captured in the field of battle in full uniform and being held as POW's. There's a difference.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You have to remember that the Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding U.S. soldiers captured in the field of battle in full uniform and being held as POW's. There's a difference.
    So torture is not torture if the captive is not uniformed? What is it called then?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So torture is not torture if the captive is not uniformed? What is it called then?
    This thread started about Amnesty Intl wanting to prosecute Bush for war crimes. Terrorists are not protected by any International Treaty. Soldiers caught out of uniform are/were not protected by the Geneva Convention.

    Under the Geneva Conventions, however, soldiers who fight out of uniform or commit atrocities – i.e., murder prisoners or target and kill noncombatants – may be sent before firing squads.
    http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/gene...ion-rules.html
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You have to remember that the Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding U.S. soldiers captured in the field of battle in full uniform and being held as POW's. There's a difference.
    Not to a liberal who believes Islamic terrorists should be given the same legal rights as any other criminal. Notice they cannot respond to the question raised that if Waterboarding was illegal and torture why Obama had to issue an executive order making it illegal?

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