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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I disagree. There are plenty of occasions where it is correct and even desirable for a state to cede sovereignty, or at least a portion of sovereignty, to another entity. It is not only after losing a war, nor does it happen after all wars are lost. The 13 colonies ceded a good bit of their sovereignty to the federal government when this country was founded, and that worked out pretty well.

    And more to the point, willingly trying American war criminals in America would be preferable, I agree. But the appropriate venue really is the Hague, so why not?
    Why is The Hague more appropriate to try Americans than American courts?

    Not that this isn't laugh-out-loud stupid anyway. The colonies ceded authority to the central government because it was their wish to form a single nation. We do not wish to form a worldwide government.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    So why not?
    This is what the the democracies are facing, folks, and the terrorists know it.

    When Osama bin Laden made his famous remark about people following the strong horse rather than the weak horse he clearly had people like this in mind.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Sure we've been over this several times, and you continue to be wrong.
    Is that supposed to be an argument?

    You betray the weakness of your position by not addressing my points on their merits. Good day.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Whatever you say, champ.
    Exactly. Not what I didn't say.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why is The Hague more appropriate to try Americans than American courts?
    Well, it's neither more nor less appropriate, The Hague has concurrent jurisdiction with American courts. But there are two reasons that the Hague is preferable. First, the Hague specializes in war crimes, and second, the American justice system has shown no interest in prosecuting Bush, and as Ikari observed earlier, there is a rigged game preventing it from happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not that this isn't laugh-out-loud stupid anyway. The colonies ceded authority to the central government because it was their wish to form a single nation. We do not wish to form a worldwide government.
    I'm not going to stoop to ad hominem attacks like you did, Harshaw, but you might want to reread the above sentences and see who it makes look stupid.

    We're already there, globalization is happening all around you. The question is not whether globalization will happen, but how we shape it, and whether the USA is a moral leader in it. Get with it, get out of the way, or get left behind.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Exactly. Not what I didn't say.
    I responded to what you said, but you tried to push the clear implication of what you said off on me.

    If you don't want to own up to your own statements and their meanings, don't be too surprised when people stop responding to you in a serious manner.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, it's neither more nor less appropriate, it has concurrent jurisdiction with American courts. But there are two reasons that the Hague is preferable. First, the Hague specializes in war crimes, and second, the American justice system has shown no interest in prosecuting Bush, and as Ikari observed earlier, there is a rigged game preventing it from happening.



    I'm not going to delve into ad hominems, Harshaw, but you might want to reread the above sentences and see who it makes look stupid. Hint: it's not me.
    I totally disagree,
    see who it makes look stupid. Hint: it's not me
    The entire debate whether or not to prosecutre GW Bush is a waste of time and just typical of the leftwing hatred for this man.

    Guy, did you ever serve in the Military? do you even understand the difference between a sovereign nation and terrorist organization? Do you understand who the Geneva Convention protects? Seems to me you want selective enforcement of international law because of your hatred of GW Bush and the question is why? What did GW Bush do to you or anyone in your family that warrants this vitriol on your part?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, it's neither more nor less appropriate, it has concurrent jurisdiction with American courts.
    Over Americans? By what authority? Show it.


    But there are two reasons that the Hague is preferable. First, the Hague specializes in war crimes, and second, the American justice system has shown no interest in prosecuting Bush, and as Ikari observed earlier, there is a rigged game preventing it from happening.
    That "rigged game" is called "constitutional protections" and "absence of a crime."



    I'm not going to delve into ad hominems, Harshaw, but you might want to reread the above sentences and see who it makes look stupid.
    There are quite a few people here who have great difficulty understanding that criticizing what someone says is not an "ad hominem." And what you said was stupid. That doesn't mean that you yourself are stupid.

    And looking at those sentences again, that's only more clear.



    We're already there, globalization is happening all around you. Get with it, get out of the way, or get left behind.
    And another stupid statement. You think a global economy equates to having a worldwide government?
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What did GW Bush do to you or anyone in your family that warrants this vitriol on your part?
    He tortured. Nothing else matters.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Guy, did you ever serve in the Military?
    Pot, kettle, etc.

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