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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    I don't report. Yawn away. You did definitely point out the obvious. You got nothin'.
    Do you know why someone would settle if not guilty? There are actually a few reasons. Feel free to Google it and educate yourself.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Do you know why someone would settle if not guilty? There are actually a few reasons. Feel free to Google it and educate yourself.
    I don't see why Clinton would have settled if he was not guilty. The cat was already out of the bag and his reputation soiled. I don't see what he had to gain by settling. unless...he were guilty of much, much worse and was afraid that if he went to court ALL would come out.

    settle with Jones to keep the rest of his skeletons in the closet????
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    I don't see why Clinton would have settled if he was not guilty. The cat was already out of the bag and his reputation soiled. I don't see what he had to gain by settling. unless...he were guilty of much, much worse and was afraid that if he went to court ALL would come out.

    settle with Jones to keep the rest of his skeletons in the closet????
    I could see him settling just to get it out of the papers. He could have settled out of pressure from the party because of an election coming up (I don't remember when all this happened relative to elections). He could have settled to keep things out of the public record that, while not illegal, may have made him look bad. He may have settled because even though he was factually innocent, the case against him was compelling enough that he may have risked losing (remember that in a civil case, the bar is "preponderance of the evidence," not "beyond a resonable doubt" -- that's a much easier standard).

    Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other good reasons that do not involve guilt or innocence.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    Why on earth would any individual settle out of court for 850K if they weren't guilty?
    For many reasons, including ending it, not having it drag out and cost in terms of other goals.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I could see him settling just to get it out of the papers. He could have settled out of pressure from the party because of an election coming up (I don't remember when all this happened relative to elections). He could have settled to keep things out of the public record that, while not illegal, may have made him look bad. He may have settled because even though he was factually innocent, the case against him was compelling enough that he may have risked losing (remember that in a civil case, the bar is "preponderance of the evidence," not "beyond a resonable doubt" -- that's a much easier standard).

    Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other good reasons that do not involve guilt or innocence.
    yeah, but none of those reasons were "effective" by settling, it didn't keep it out of the papers, etc. It was still an issue. IMHO, IF he had been innocent, he would've taken it to court, proved it and then said "see, i told you so". It's not like he had anything to lose...he was already convicted in the court of public opinion anyway and since it was a civil case there was no chance of him going to jail.

    As I said earlier: I think he has/had much more damaging skeletons in the closet and he settled in order to avoid the possibility of those coming to light
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    It could be as simple as "I don't want to be bothered with it and waste the time, damage is done, but I have better things to do, so here is the money"

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yeah, but none of those reasons were "effective" by settling, it didn't keep it out of the papers, etc. It was still an issue. IMHO, IF he had been innocent, he would've taken it to court, proved it and then said "see, i told you so". It's not like he had anything to lose...he was already convicted in the court of public opinion anyway and since it was a civil case there was no chance of him going to jail.
    I should have been more clear -- it would no longer be newsworthy after the settlement had been reached, whereas a trial (which would definitely have lasted for weeks, if not months) would have kept the issue in the papers for that whole time.

    As to the court of public opinion, he remained pretty popular for his tenure IIRC, so he had very little to gain and a lot to lose by taking it to trial.

    I would say that the reality of the situation is that we'll never really know though. Only he and Paula Jones know for sure.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I should have been more clear -- it would no longer be newsworthy after the settlement had been reached, whereas a trial (which would definitely have lasted for weeks, if not months) would have kept the issue in the papers for that whole time.

    As to the court of public opinion, he remained pretty popular for his tenure IIRC, so he had very little to gain and a lot to lose by taking it to trial.

    I would say that the reality of the situation is that we'll never really know though. Only he and Paula Jones know for sure.

    I guess it's better to be an accused rapist than a convicted rapist...
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    Oh, so torture is ok if we're really upset.
    You know this is basically how the enemy justifies torturing Americans, right?
    Terrorists aren't just torturing Americans. They are cutting their heads off.

    Terorists will kill anyone - men, women, children, other Muslims. It really doesn't matter to them.

    And these are the people you're sympathizing with?

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