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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Incorrect. Waterboarding has been defined as torture under US law since at least WWII, when the US prosecuted the Japanese soldiers who water boarded American POWs.
    Didn't know that terrorists were covered under international law. Please cite that proof?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Excuse me?

    Where did Bush say he was "just following orders"? Or anyone in the US Federal Government for that matter. This Nazi analogy has long run its course.
    I'm talking about the guys that actually did the interrogating, they can't use the Nuremberg defense. Bush was the one writing the orders.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're entirely wrong. I don't thin George Bush is the "greatest war criminal." All war criminals are dogs in my eyes. George Bush just happens to be the greatest American war criminal, and he is a stain on my country, that's why I care so much about seeing him brought to justice. If we can prosecute our own war criminals because they wield such corrupt influence, how can we expect other countries to keep to a standard of human rights when we can't even mind our own yard?

    The difference between you and me is that I believe in American Exceptionalism, whereas you are a cynic. Have a nice day!
    I think people like you are nuts and don't understand the world we live in. Please show me where terrorists are covered under the Geneva Convention or international law?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Like I said, Bush is the most directly responsible. Would you prosecute a private in the killing fields before Pol Pot? Get Bush first and the rest will inevitably follow.
    oh please that is total bull**** and you know it. as soon as the libtards got Bush the whole thing would be forgotten and everyone else involved would "get a pass". The only way I think this would be in any way fair would be to get Bush and all the members of congress who were complicit AT THE SAME TIME.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    You're entirely wrong. I don't thin George Bush is the "greatest war criminal." All war criminals are dogs in my eyes. George Bush just happens to be the greatest American war criminal, and he is a stain on my country, that's why I care so much about seeing him brought to justice. If we can prosecute our own war criminals because they wield such corrupt influence, how can we expect other countries to keep to a standard of human rights when we can't even mind our own yard?

    Oh, really? Well which international war criminals do you feel should be tried in Belgium ahead of George Bush?

    The difference between you and me is that I believe in American Exceptionalism, whereas you are a cynic. Have a nice day!
    If you believe in American Exceptionalism, why would you want George Bush tried in Brussels?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm talking about the guys that actually did the interrogating, they can't use the Nuremberg defense. Bush was the one writing the orders.
    But the guys doing the interogationg were following orders. I guess they'll be tried too, huh? Along with the entire US military.

    This will be a lifetime job for the ICC guys. A 40 year orgasm for them and their eventual replacements.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    1, what you call it is meaningless. The US government has called it torture and so has the rest of the world. it is called the water torture.
    President Obama called it torture when he outlawed it in 2009. If it was illegal before, he wouldn't have issued an Executive Order.

    2. It is protected as it is torture.
    See my statement above. Further, enemy combatants are protected; not terrorists.

    3. Some techinques simply work better. I posted some testimony on the other thread.
    Also, legal protection is not equal to being morally right. Nor does it mean they did not break the law when they did it. it just means we're not going to prosecute them. And it would be unfair to do so without prosecuting those who allowed it, encouraged it, including the president of the US at the time.
    Please list what's morally right about killing civilians. (Our drones) Oh, wait, must be because we "try real hard not to." There's very little morality in a war. And when there is, I personally would much rather we apply that compass to civilians rather than to terrorists who would chop off our heads.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    How ridiculous that people are still arguing about whether water-boarding is torture or not. Amazing how effective a little agitprop can be. There is no serious disagreement as to whether or not waterboarding is torture. It is, that is a given.

    For everybody denying that waterboarding is torture, wise up folks. Of course it is!

    As for everybody who admits it is torture but thinks it should be policy anyway to "save lives," I shake my head in shame.
    During SERE school I was boarded along with being bound, put in a 48 in tall bamboo cage in 42 inches of water. Every time I was asked a question and I gave my name rank and SN a boot would push me under and hold me there for as long as 30 seconds only to have it done again in another 10 seconds. Was it torture? Hell no. It sucked but at no time did I feel like my life was in danger. But while in Iraq we were warned that if you felt you were about to be captured, it was better to eat a bullet than fall into the hands of AQ. And these are the people whom you guys want to protect over your fellow countrymen. Talk about hanging your head in shame.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    What about the obvious possibility of permanent psychological damage?
    As in the permanent pyschological damage suffered by those left behind when their loved ones were incinerated on 9/11?

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