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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Hitler had Hess, Goering and Himmler. Bush had Pelosi and Kerry. why are you giving Bush's coconspirators a pass?
    Nonsense, when did I say any of them got a pass? Anybody with a direct connection to the crime of torture ought to be tried. That will be hundreds of people, of which Bush is the most prominent and most directly responsible. But as for the other people involved, "just following orders" is not a defense against war crimes.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I beg to differ. People who care about justice want to see Bush tried.
    I beg to differ. People who care about justice want to see everyone involved tried. Partisan hacks with an axe to grind want to see Bush tried.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Then you should have plenty of respect for my decision based on detailed analysis of the facts. And, come to think of it, you should have no respect for your own position based on a breathtaking ignorance of the law.
    The facts that you believe you have are nothing more than opinions based on ignorance. I have no respect for your decision because it is biased and partisan based upon leftwing revisionist history.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Nonsense, when did I say any of them got a pass?
    all I hear is Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush. I wonder how that could've given me the idea that you were giving Pelosi and Kerry a pass.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There are ignorant people all over this country, single issue people who base their decisions based upon words vs. actual facts. GW Bush hasn't been proven guilty of torture since waterboarding wasn't defined as torture. Waterboarding hurt no one and saved lives. That is good enough for the majority in this country with only the kooks keeping this issue alive.
    Incorrect. Waterboarding has been defined as torture under US law since at least WWII, when the US prosecuted the Japanese soldiers who water boarded American POWs.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all I hear is Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush. I wonder how that could've given me the idea that you were giving Pelosi and Kerry a pass.
    Like I said, Bush is the most directly responsible. Would you prosecute a private in the killing fields before Pol Pot? Get Bush first and the rest will inevitably follow.

    While we're at it, try Kissinger for Operation Condor as well.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There are ignorant people all over this country, single issue people who base their decisions based upon words vs. actual facts.
    Indeed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    GW Bush hasn't been proven guilty of torture since waterboarding wasn't defined as torture.
    Dispensed with that nonsense earlier.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Waterboarding hurt no one and saved lives.
    Prove it.
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    That is good enough for the majority in this country with only the kooks keeping this issue alive.
    Argumentum ad populum.


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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    lol Tough to prove his innocence when he's going on a book tour with his confession. But you can still dream, i guess.
    In the democracies people are generally innocent until proven guilty. That you don't subscribe to this proposition doesn't mean that others don't. This is also US law.

    As was explained more than once, his legal advisors, as well as many on this board if they at all are representative of public opinion, feel that what was done was not criminal. At worst it's still unproven.
    That's not at all how it works. The jurisdiction is over the reasonable allegation of the war crime, there is no presumption of guilt.
    But you certainly have that presumption and I believe the body you support, the ICC, does as well.
    That's what the trial is for. Hell, if Bush was tried and acquitted by a fair court, I'd be thrilled. That would be justice. But I cannot imagine a realistic defense, his is clearly guilty based on well known facts that he himself has admitted to. But he has a right to his day in court.
    Right. Try him then hang him.
    It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of the US government. When the USA recognizes a sovereign nation's legitimacy, we must act accordingly. We're not talking about some failed state here, we're talking about democracies that the US and the global community at large all recognize as legitimate, uncorrupt, and freely elected, just as they treat our government as such. This is very basic stuff here.
    I don't think many Americans would fall for this "very basic stuff" of their president being tried in Belgium. Personally I'd love to see them try.

    When people like yourself believe that George Bush is the greatest international war criminal, and is compared to the Nazi leaders, then we know that you, and those like you, have become seriously unhinged. This is a clear example of why nations must maintain their sovereignty and if the United States ever relinquished theirs to some snotheads in Europe, then it really will be the end of the world as we know it.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Nonsense, when did I say any of them got a pass? Anybody with a direct connection to the crime of torture ought to be tried. That will be hundreds of people, of which Bush is the most prominent and most directly responsible. But as for the other people involved, "just following orders" is not a defense against war crimes.
    Excuse me?

    Where did Bush say he was "just following orders"? Or anyone in the US Federal Government for that matter. This Nazi analogy has long run its course.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    When people like yourself believe that George Bush is the greatest international war criminal, and is compared to the Nazi leaders, then we know that you, and those like you, have become seriously unhinged. This is a clear example of why nations must maintain their sovereignty and if the United States ever relinquished theirs to some snotheads in Europe, then it really will be the end of the world as we know it.
    You're entirely wrong. I don't thin George Bush is the "greatest war criminal." All war criminals are dogs in my eyes. George Bush just happens to be the greatest American war criminal, and he is a stain on my country, that's why I care so much about seeing him brought to justice. If we can't prosecute our own war criminals because they wield such corrupt influence, how can we expect other countries to keep to a standard of human rights when we can't even mind our own yard?

    The difference between you and me is that I believe in American Exceptionalism, whereas you are a cynic. Have a nice day!
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