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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm not sure where you're coming up with this stuff. The ICC is the organ for international prosecution of war crimes. It doesn't matter whether the US has signed on or not, the ICC has jurisdiction over Bush if they choose to assert it. That's just the way it is.
    OK. And how will they be asserting this 'jurisdiction'?

    I'd pay a dollar to watch them show up in Crawford, Texas.

    Like any idea that sounds good on paper, such as the League of Nations and the UN, it becomes politicized and fails miserably in practice. Such is the case here.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    prove it. link
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    Sure, it's the same, or very similar to, diplomatic immunity. But while Europeans mind find it advantageous to be ruled from Belgium, I doubt many Americans would feel th same way.
    You're right, there's nothing stopping Bush from getting prosecuted in US courts. Except politics as usual.


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    The Court was composed as follows: President Guillaume; Vice-President Shi; Judges Oda, Ranjeva, Herczegh, Fleischhauer, Koroma, Vereshchetin, Higgins, Parra-Aranguren, Kooijmans, Rezek, Al-Khasawneh, Buergenthal; Judges ad hoc Bula-Bula, Van den Wyngaert.

    I'd love to know where these guys got there legal training, and why anyone should pay any attention to them at all. I certainly didn't vote for them.
    I didn't vote for them either, but then again we aren't the only people that Bush's war crimes violated. War crimes are crimes against all of humanity, so the Belgians have just as much jurisdiction over Bush as if he had actually committed the torture in Brussels. We didn't vote for them but somebody did, and it was done legitimately. That's all they need.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    you know what I find funny??? the arguement the guys here are using to justify the ICC going after Bush is the same arguement they said was BS when Bush used it to go after Saddam.

    War crimes are crimes against all of humanity, so Bush had just as much jurisdiction over Saddam as if he had actually committed the torture in the US
    see how easily it flows?
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're right, there's nothing stopping Bush from getting prosecuted in US courts. Except politics as usual.




    I didn't vote for them either, but then again we aren't the only people that Bush's war crimes violated. War crimes are crimes against all of humanity, so the Belgians have just as much jurisdiction over Bush as if he had actually committed the torture in Brussels. We didn't vote for them but somebody did, and it was done legitimately. That's all they need.
    With all the problems we have in this country today, this is your top issue? You keep buying what Amnesia International says but only on this issue? Your position is old.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    You know, the book he wrote where he vigorously defended his choice to waterboard, or his interview where he admits his rationale for committing torture was that his "lawyer said it was legal."
    This is not new. It has been discussed for years..

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    OK. And how will they be asserting this 'jurisdiction'?

    I'd pay a dollar to watch them show up in Crawford, Texas.

    Like any idea that sounds good on paper, such as the League of Nations and the UN, it becomes politicized and fails miserably in practice. Such is the case here.

    History of the ICC
    Will it ever happen in reality, probably not. But who knows. Ten or twenty years from now the political climate might be very different.

    How will the ICC assert jurisdiction? It's called universal jurisdiction. War criminals can be tried anywhere they are found.

    How will they hale Bush into court? I don't know. Like I said, maybe things will be different in twenty years. But now I think it would cause quite a scandal if they did.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    You're right, there's nothing stopping Bush from getting prosecuted in US courts. Except politics as usual.
    Apart, of course, for his innocence.
    I didn't vote for them either, but then again we aren't the only people that Bush's war crimes violated.
    So before he even goes to the ICC you already have him guity of committing "war crimes". I strongly suspect the ICC feels the same way also, before he even sets foot in Belgium.
    War crimes are crimes against all of humanity, so the Belgians have just as much jurisdiction over Bush as if he had actually committed the torture in Brussels. We didn't vote for them but somebody did, and it was done legitimately.
    We didn't vote for them but "somebody" did and, in your opinion, it was done 'legitimately'.

    Okeydokey

    "That's all they need".
    That might be all you and they feel they need but I believe the American people will want more than just the word of this ugly bunch.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    With all the problems we have in this country today, this is your top issue? You keep buying what Amnesia International says but only on this issue? Your position is old.
    My position is old?

    Frankly, I don't think we should ever rest in our prosecution of war criminals. I'm glad the nazi hunters didn't just forget about the crimes of the war criminals they pursued, and brought to justice their quarry sometimes twenty or thirty years after the crime itself had been committed. I'm glad they didn't just decide that it the position that war crimes should be punished was "old."

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    Will it ever happen in reality, probably not. But who knows. Ten or twenty years from now the political climate might be very different.
    I suspect you're right, and that the jackboots will be then be hitting the pavement. The UN and ICC are great organizations for just such a scenario.

    How will the ICC assert jurisdiction? It's called universal jurisdiction. War criminals can be tried anywhere they are found.
    But of course there is already selective prosecution, and no doubt that process will increased. A great way to rid yourselves of any political enemies.
    How will they hale Bush into court? I don't know. Like I said, maybe things will be different in twenty years. But now I think it would cause quite a scandal if they did.
    Scandal?

    It would be a war. Even the Democrats would not stand for that.
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