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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

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    LOL... Just about spit out my beer.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Thank God you caught yourself. It's a sin to waste beer.
    Oh... so true, and this is the finest Bavarian brew from a regional brauerei near the Alps... would be a sin indeed.

    A crime... perhaps worthy of waterboarding... but we can't do that because it's torture... unless of course you consent.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Oh... so true, and this is the finest Bavarian brew from a regional brauerei near the Alps... would be a sin indeed.

    A crime... perhaps worthy of waterboarding...
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    Nice! Definitely it would be a crime deserving of no leniency.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    they consent because they have no choice. you either consent or you go home. not much of a choice is it? try looking up the definition of "coercion" in the dicitionary
    I'm glad you asked! Black's law dictionary defines coercion as the "use of force or threat or force." So by the dictionary definition we're clearly not talking about coercion when it comes to military trainees. Thanks for making my point for me.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I'm curious, what other war crimes do we commit against our troops... I mean war crimes they consent to?
    Aside from having to listen to Obama and Biden during rare visits.

    Can anyone name even one?

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    Don't you get it? It's not a war crime if there's consent! The lack of consent is the reason water-boarding of criminals for interrogation is considered torture.

    To recap:

    Water-boarding without consent = torture.

    Water-boarding with consent = not torture.


    You're making a very frivolous argument, zimmer.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm glad you asked! Black's law dictionary defines coercion as the "use of force or threat or force." So by the dictionary definition we're clearly not talking about coercion when it comes to military trainees. Thanks for making my point for me.
    how about a little intellectual integrity...show the entire definition, not just the cherry picked bit that, when taken out of context, supports your feeble arguement?
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Don't you get it? It's not a war crime if there's consent! The lack of consent is the reason water-boarding of criminals for interrogation is considered torture.

    To recap:

    Water-boarding without consent = torture.

    Water-boarding with consent = not torture.


    You're making a very frivolous argument, zimmer.
    A war crime is a war crime. Torture is torture. Perjury is perjury.

    If it is a war crime our government would not expose them, consent or not. Or is it we can commit what you folks consider immoral acts-war crimes only against our own?

    And so I ask you and your Amnesia International supporters again... what other war crimes do we commit against our troops?

    Bush says Mohammed proved difficult to break, "but when he did, he gave us a lot." He disclosed plans to attack American targets with anthrax and "directed us to three people involved in the al Qaeda biological weapons program," among other breakthroughs, Bush writes.

    In book, Bush strongly defends use of waterboarding | Reuters
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    funny, they skipped this chapter in our briefing.
    Perhaps, or maybe your memory is foggy. The fact remains, it isn't the same.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm glad you asked! Black's law dictionary defines coercion as the "use of force or threat or force." So by the dictionary definition we're clearly not talking about coercion when it comes to military trainees. Thanks for making my point for me.
    1. the act of compelling by force of authority

    2. Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.


    3. Actual or threatened force for the purpose of compelling action by another person

    4. Use of physical or moral force to compel a person to do something, or to abstain from doing something, thereby depriving that person of the exercise of free will.

    5. to cause to do through pressure or necessity, by physical, moral or intellectual means

    6. Forced or compelled into doing something, through fear, intimidation, and/or threats.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Can a trainee say no mas once it starts?
    Ultimately yes. And what's more, they are treated differently. They don't get the fully effort, or full effect. We do that with a lot things in preparation for what we might might face, a waterdown version so to speak. If you think any training you got was equal to the real thing, you're fooling yourself.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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