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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Don't get me confused with Boo. I don't pretend to know anything about the nature of the training exercises.
    He sure does.

    But the absence of a "safe word" is not relevant. Do you deny that water-boarding as part of military training is consented to? I think you're being purposefully disingenuous here. There is no comparison between war-boarding a criminal and water-boarding a military trainee. You yourself have acknowledged that a candidate can always wash out.

    I signed up for the USAF for TACP, I had no idea what "waterboarding" was, until I felt that first drop. so yes I "consented" however, I had no idea what I was consenting too actually. They kind of did that on purpose.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Amnesty International Calls to Prosecute Bush for Admitted Waterboarding



    I support this and basically feel that these activities constitute a war crime.
    Who cares what a far left wing nut organization wants..........Let them eat cake......
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    even when the consent is gained under duress or is coerced?

    Example:

    Training instructor: you will submit to this "procedure" or you will be ejected from this school. if you are ejected from this school it will reflect poorly on your record and decrease your chances for promotion. Is there anyone here who does not give their consent?

    Trainees: (in unison) SIR, NO SIR!!!!!!
    I wouldn't call that duress. I think that's exceedingly insulting to the brave soldiers who undergo the training, and our military in general.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Amnesty International Calls to Prosecute Bush for Admitted Waterboarding



    I support this and basically feel that these activities constitute a war crime.
    So are you going to prosecute the members of Congress that turned their eyes away from what you call an illegal activity? If this was illegal then why didn't Congress under Democrat control from 2007-2008 bring articles of Impeachment against President Bush? Seems to me that logic and common sense escapes most liberals. It wasn't illegal and I don't think much of Amnesty International which is simply trying to make political points with their supporters. No one is going to prosecute President Bush for war crimes. Get over it!

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I signed up for the USAF for TACP, I had no idea what "waterboarding" was, until I felt that first drop. so yes I "consented" however, I had no idea what I was consenting too actually. They kind of did that on purpose.
    I have no doubt that the training is hell. That is part of the reason why I have so much respect for our military. They are truly the best in the world, and I admire anyone who would undergo something like water-boarding to protect my freedoms. Lord knows it's more than I deserve.

    But I'm not going to belittle that sacrifice by saying it was coerced. If the government subjected military recruits to water boarding under true duress it would be criminal. But the fact is that the recruits do, with great bravery, consent to the treatment.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    He sure does.




    I signed up for the USAF for TACP, I had no idea what "waterboarding" was, until I felt that first drop. so yes I "consented" however, I had no idea what I was consenting too actually. They kind of did that on purpose.
    So you were tortured...
    What year was that?
    I think Amnesia International has a few hundred more scalps to go after.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I wouldn't call that duress. I think that's exceedingly insulting to the brave soldiers who undergo the training, and our military in general.
    duh...I am one of those "brave soldiers" who underwent the training. and unless you have ever been in the military you have no idea what is or is not duress when it comes to giving your consent to training.
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So are you going to prosecute the members of Congress that turned their eyes away from what you call an illegal activity? If this was illegal then why didn't Congress under Democrat control from 2007-2008 bring articles of Impeachment against President Bush? Seems to me that logic and common sense escapes most liberals. It wasn't illegal and I don't think much of Amnesty International which is simply trying to make political points with their supporters. No one is going to prosecute President Bush for war crimes. Get over it!
    What are you trying to get Coranado to come over to this thread and give you the same spanking he gave you in that other one?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    while chatroomers speculate meaningfully about how things should be, here in reality (which, in my world, at least, always trumps chin stroking sophistry) this issue is going nowhere beyond bunches of blather clicked and submitted

    in other words, it's a POLITICAL LOSER

    put it this way, if he could in any way gain from action here, there is no doubt obnoxious obama would direct eager eric holder to PROCEED

    he's NOT and he WON'T

    carry on

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    But the fact is that the recruits do, with great bravery, consent to the treatment.
    they consent because they have no choice. you either consent or you go home. not much of a choice is it? try looking up the definition of "coercion" in the dicitionary

    Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner by use of threats, intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.
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