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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If waterboarding is a war crime, then there are a lot of US military personnel and US political leaders that will have to be put on trial as well, including Slick Willy Clinton because we waterboarded our own troops as a training exercise, and he was (a sad) Commander in Chief.
    This implies a poor understanding of the topic at hand, zimmer, unless you are being utterly disingenuous. Do you seriously not see the difference between forcible water-boarding for interrogation purposes (a war crime) and water-boarding that has been consented to for training purposes (not a war crime)?
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This is the most moronic defense you can imagine.

    The exact same action on two separate groups of people... in one instance is torture, the other not?

    That is what you call malleable justice.

    Either it is torture or it is not.

    You just proved it is not.

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    Fifth and most important, SERE is voluntary. “Students can withdraw from training,” Ogrisseg noted. In a report issued four months ago, the Armed Services Committee added that in SERE, “students are even given a special phrase they can use to immediately stop” any ordeal. The report concluded:

    The SERE schools employ strict controls to reduce the risk of physical and psychological harm to students during training. Those controls include medical and psychological screening for students, interventions by trained psychologists during training, and code words to ensure that students can stop the application of a technique at any time should the need arise. Those same controls are not present in real world interrogations.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not mine. You're calling the person who runs the program moronic as it is his claim.

    Fifth and most important, SERE is voluntary. “Students can withdraw from training,” Ogrisseg noted. In a report issued four months ago, the Armed Services Committee added that in SERE, “students are even given a special phrase they can use to immediately stop” any ordeal. The report concluded:

    The SERE schools employ strict controls to reduce the risk of physical and psychological harm to students during training. Those controls include medical and psychological screening for students, interventions by trained psychologists during training, and code words to ensure that students can stop the application of a technique at any time should the need arise. Those same controls are not present in real world interrogations.

    The Jury Talks Back Why SERE Training is Essentially Different Than Torture

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The US government executed Japanese soldiers for torture. They waterboarder US soldiers. The US viewed waterboarding as torture
    This is quite misleading. The Japanese were executed for many serious crimes, some of which might have included waterboarding. But if your intent is to put down the United States, while gaining sympathy for terrorists and brain-washed Japanese crazies, this is also a good route to take.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This implies a poor understanding of the topic at hand, zimmer, unless you are being utterly disingenuous. Do you seriously not see the difference between forcible water-boarding for interrogation purposes (a war crime) and water-boarding that has been consented to for training purposes (not a war crime)?
    If it is torture, it doesn't matter when or where it occurs.

    It is torture.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    What about the obvious possibility of permanent psychological damage?
    Guys like KSM had serious psychological damage before they even entered the waterboarding area.

    We're talking major terrorists here. You think they are normal?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If it is torture, it doesn't matter when it occurs.

    It is torture.

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    It doesn't matter when it occurs, it matters how it occurs. With consent or not. It's the difference between stealing and being given a gift. One is done without consent, one is done with consent.

    Honestly, zimmer, where is the communication breakdown happening here?

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    No he did not because the ends do not justify the means in this case, but a moral person would do it and take the punishment anyway.
    Why should Bush be punished? He didn't break any laws.

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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    If and when Amnesty International starts calling for the prosecution of the UN for all the rapes and murders its members have committed, I might take them seriously. Until then they can shut the hell up, this is nothing more than partisan bull****tery
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    Re: Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This is the most moronic defense you can imagine.
    I don't know about this one. I'm continually surprised...

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