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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Bok_Tukalo View Post
    The Brits and the French are certainly capable of exerting military force but their strategic political will is wholly dependent on the United States military aparatus and as far as the rest of the world, little trade occurs without the express written consent of the United States Navy.

    We spend smart. And listening to those who piss and moan about our maintenance of the Western way of life reminds me of the Kipling poem The White Man's Burden (ironically, a call from a Brit for America to get in the game):

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    Are you joking?

    I mean, are you serious? Do you still think this is 1967, the height of the Cold War? Britain and France? Dependent upon the States?

    I'm surprised I'm even dignifying something so unabashedly twisted, but here I am: You could not be more wrong. Britain and France have never been subject to the military will of the United States, nor the political will of it -- the closest they've ever come was the Suez Crisis, in which they were force, by joint decision from the US and the Soviet Union, to halt their invasion of Egypt.

    But shortly thereafter, France pulled out of NATO, and Britain has always been an equal partner in terms of Western politics. In more recent times, France essentially called the US on its bluff and told it to go shove it up its arse -- France and Germany wouldn't send their troops to die in an unwinnable war in Iraq, and the US couldn't force them to if they wanted to.

    Furthermore, I might note that Britain and France, as heads of the Commonwealth and Francophonie, respectively, weild more international strategic power than the US does, especially now that NATO is broken.

    Let me also continue to say that you totally just pulled the bit about the Navy out of your arse. As someone who served in the Royal Marines for seven years, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the US Navy may not and does not have any power to affect any aspect of military or economic naval actions outside of US territorial waters -- to do so would constitute a breach of international law.

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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

    I get worried when the government starts suggesting that they should modify business tax credits and deductions. Sounds like an ass-****ing headed our way.
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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

    Obama panel urges deep US spending cuts, tax reform - Yahoo! News

    The Pentagon would also be subject to a freeze for non-combat staff and a reduction in procurement spending of 15 percent, saving 20 billion dollars.

    The chairs would have the Department of Defense cancel projects to build the V-22 Osprey aircraft, the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle and substitute F-16 and F/A-18Es "for half of the Air Force and Navy's planned buys of F-35 fighter aircraft."
    Some rather interesting cuts in military spending is being proposed as well. The V-22 has been an expensive program that most DOD have done their best to protect, the replacement of half the appro 2100 of the F35 with F16 and F18 is about the most suprising one
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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I get worried when the government starts suggesting that they should modify business tax credits and deductions. Sounds like an ass-****ing headed our way.
    So, you are not for simplifying the tax code? I thought that's what most conservative wanted. This plan also comes with lower tax rates overall.

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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taboon View Post
    So, you are not for simplifying the tax code? I thought that's what most conservative wanted. This plan also comes with lower tax rates overall.
    Lower rates, in exchange for fewer deductions and credits. Sorry, if I'm not excited about that idea.
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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

    Just my two cents. I watched Fox News and MSNBC last night. Both seemed to be b**chin about this proposal. The left and the right both don't like it. That must mean it's a good proposal.

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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

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    Obama panel urges deep US spending cuts, tax reform - Yahoo! News



    Some rather interesting cuts in military spending is being proposed as well. The V-22 has been an expensive program that most DOD have done their best to protect, the replacement of half the appro 2100 of the F35 with F16 and F18 is about the most suprising one
    Yeah, interesting, to say the least.

    Reduce facility maintanance.
    Reduce base support.
    Freeze soldier salaries for three years.
    Like I said in another thread, the defense cuts will hit the troops the hardest.
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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

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    Just my two cents. I watched Fox News and MSNBC last night. Both seemed to be b**chin about this proposal. The left and the right both don't like it. That must mean it's a good proposal.
    Probably more comparable to Obamacare...
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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Lower rates, in exchange for fewer deductions and credits. Sorry, if I'm not excited about that idea.
    Not excited or completely against? I don't think there are many people excited about this but something needs to be done and I doubt there will be anyone who is not affected negatively in some way.

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    Re: Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

    Everyone should be aware that this is NOT the final report. Also be aware that there is a very good chance that there will be no final report which garners the mandatory 14 votes to make it go before Congress for action. This chairmans release is DOA.
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