The only thing torturing does is make people say what ever you want them to say. Ask John McCain about that.
The only thing torturing does is make people say what ever you want them to say. Ask John McCain about that.
The only thing torturing does is make people say what ever you want them to say. Ask John McCain about that.
No, we aren't the media, they are a propaganda machine as has been proven by the actual results.
BBC News - George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'
Goes to show, its effective to a degree. I'm personally okay with violating the rights of terrorists if it means protecting the right to life of innocent civilians.
Do you believe that Barry has "saved, or created" 3 Million jobs?
j-mac
There's lots of propoganda in the world, some provided by yourself. But as I siad, media is just the temr for the method we use to communicate. :coffeepap
There's lots of propoganda in the world, some provided by yourself. But as I siad, media is just the temr for the method we use to communicate. :coffeepap
Number seems high to me. But I have no doubt some jobs were saved. I KNOW some where saved here. We have people waiting for the money to end and trying to plan what to do when that money iis all used up.
Please provide specifics of any propaganda that I have provided. The media has changed over the past decade and no longer represents the non partisan fact finding entity it used to be.
"Those who trade liberty for security, will end up with neither".
Terrorists attacks
Obama 0 on American home soil.
Bush 1 heck of one on American soil.
Radical Christianity says the same thing.
The only thing torturing does is make people say what ever you want them to say. Ask John McCain about that.
There is no question that some jobs were saved but the questions remain was that the role of the stimulus and how it was sold plus could those jobs have been saved without the Federal Govt. doing it? Teachers' jobs are state responsibilities and the states didn't have to find a way to save those jobs as the govt. stepped in and did what they weren't really authorized to do.
Much provided by media matters. rof
Number seems high to me. But I have no doubt some jobs were saved. I KNOW some where saved here. We have people waiting for the money to end and trying to plan what to do when that money iis all used up.
...We have people waiting for the money to end and trying to plan what to do when that money iis all used up.
Really? It seems to me, John McCain was a POW and knows what he is talking about.
Really? It seems to me, John McCain was a POW and knows what he is talking about.
Did John McCain admit to something that wasn't true or not?Actually, that is incorrect. Its considered an inefficient means of interrogation because its as likely, if not more likely, to get you bad information, as they tell you what they think you want to know, as it is to get you good information. HOWEVER, that does not equate to the ONLY THING it gets you is that. It IS possible to get legitimate, actionable, good, true information from enhanced interrogation and even full out torture. This is not a claim that its "right", nor is it claiming its highly effective on its own (quite the contrary actually), but you can't have a legitimate and honest discussion about this kind of stuff if you can't even speak in honest circumstances rather than trumped up hyperbole.
And while Senator McCain's service to this country is exemplary, and he is a living American Hero, and what he went through was absolutely horrible, he is by no means the absolute authority on Torture.
See your post above to me.
But this is the number that Obama and Biden are throwing out there as fact. Do you have a problem with that?
Oh, and how exactly do you calculate a "saved" job? By your own standard you said:
So that is not really a "saved" job, to me it sounds more like a delayed lay off.
j-mac
That isn't propaganda that is proven fact.
Did John McCain admit to something that wasn't true or not?
A minor problem. Kind of like how I feel about republicans taking credit for the stock market going up. It's false, but kind of how things work today. I won't defend it, but it does bother me much either.
I don't take anyone's word. I take a look at evidence. I only ask that you do the same. BTW, media is only the method by which something is communicated. By us taking by way of the computer, we're the media.
Depends on what happens. For now, that jobs is there, and for those working it, saved.
But cuts by the state have made it impossible to accomplish our mission, and we will have to change our mission, having a huge effect on the population here, if something isn't done. The state will now likley do less after the last election, and this will effect students harshly in our area.
So for those employed and those needing the service, it was a save.
But that is different from the reason I started down this path to begin with. You said:
Which started me asking the questions I did, and clearly I think, in my humble opinion, that although you may indeed like to see the evidence behind a claim, as I think you would agree we all do. You are willing to give a pass in certain circumstances when none is offered. Is that fair?
A pass, no. I didn't accept it, so there was no pass. We can't fight all fights, so some pick and choose is always going to take palce. However, trying to justify torture, something I see as evil, is much different than fudging numbers on how many jobs were saved. Between the two, I see the torture one as more important to address and argue about.
Does one need be so short sighted in order for this President to be right?
No one suggested short sightedness. But there are ususaly short term and long term goals and efforts. Obama made clear the stimulaus was of the short term variety.
Then it sounds as though you can resolve it at the State level. Good, that is how it was intended to be.
No, it won't be resolved, not after the election. Things will likely get bad for students, which may insire many to ebcome involved again. We'll see. But the state will nto likely help much.
For today. Do you think that the uncertainty of not knowing whether or not you'll have that "saved" job tomorrow bolsters, and grows the economy, or stagnates it, and makes people fearful?
As those people spend and buy, pay their bills and aren't losing their homes, I suspect it helps more than it hurts. For the short term, it has been a positive.