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George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

American said:
You've been trying to derail and change the subject for two pages now. This isn't about what you want to talk about, it's about Bush. He came to office with a huge sack, and now we have a metrosexual man in office, and you want to cloud the issue. Bush acted like a President should and terrorists bastards were made to talk.
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Yeah, they told the CIA what they wanted to hear which was what they already knew. Bush's torture policy was the best recruiting tool Al Qaeda could have ever hoped for.
 
Moot said:
Yeah, they told the CIA what they wanted to hear which was what they already knew. Bush's torture policy was the best recruiting tool Al Qaeda could have ever hoped for.
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Rubbish. They already wanted us all as dead as they could make us before GB was even President. These towel heads respect only one thing from their adversaries, and that is balls. This "recruiting tool " line is one of the most brain-dead lemming mantras out there.
 
Moot said:
Yeah, they told the CIA what they wanted to hear which was what they already knew. Bush's torture policy was the best recruiting tool Al Qaeda could have ever hoped for.
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Yes, I'm sure "The Americans are waterboarding us" while we're cutting peoples heads off was MUCH more successful then "Look, we've caused the Americans to flee from our might" in Somalia.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Even the liar Bush does not make such wild claims as you suggest he does. Have you read the book?
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Yes, he did make the claim in his interview on Hannity last night. Calling Bush a liar is what liberals do when they have a bad case of Bush Derangement Syndrome. As stated, I would take GW Bush any day over Obama as CIC. It is the job of the President to protect and defend us and Bush has the character that Obama lacks.
 
Moot said:
Yeah, they told the CIA what they wanted to hear which was what they already knew. Bush's torture policy was the best recruiting tool Al Qaeda could have ever hoped for.
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Speaking of talking points. You believe what you want to believe and I believe what the evidence shows.
 
Conservative said:
Speaking of talking points. You believe what you want to believe and I believe what the evidence shows.
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You are nothing if not consistent. However consistency is only an asset when you are correct. In this instance you are severely lacking the evidence you claim.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You are nothing if not consistent. However consistency is only an asset when you are correct. In this instance you are severely lacking the evidence you claim.
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When you post so called evidence from the NY Times and other media sources that doesn't make it credible or accurate. There is one major role required by the Constitution, Defend this country and GW Bush did that. I buy his statement before I would ever buy any media report today as the media makes the news instead of reporting the news.

You don't like GW Bush, that is your right, but that doesn't make you accurate. I learned a long time ago to trust but verify and that makes me a lot more credible than any liberal here. GW Bush has nothing to gain by lying in his book. He has been one of the classiest Presidents to ever leave office and that drives you and others crazy. So if I am consistent it is because I don't respond to rumors and biased reporting like you and others do.
 
Conservative said:
When you post so called evidence from the NY Times and other media sources that doesn't make it credible or accurate. There is one major role required by the Constitution, Defend this country and GW Bush did that. I buy his statement before I would ever buy any media report today as the media makes the news instead of reporting the news.
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Another part of the constitution also protects you from unreasonable search and seizure, wiretappings.

But hey its ok to Steamroll parts of the constitution when you're scared, and when there's a Republican in office.

I still find it hilarious that some of you thump your chests about constitution this and constitution that, but defend the patriot act like its a piece of gold pressed latinum.

"Those who trade liberty for security, will end up with neither".
 
I support water-boarding. I'd support harsh torture if it saved lives. Terrorists are animals undeserving of human rights.
 
digsbe said:
I support water-boarding. I'd support harsh torture if it saved lives. Terrorists are animals undeserving of human rights.
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And what if you made a mistake and arrested the wrong person... or is the government now suddenly right 100% of the time?
 
Jetboogieman said:
And what if you made a mistake and arrested the wrong person... or is the government now suddenly right 100% of the time?
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You compensate them for it. I do think we should have solid evidence first.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Another part of the constitution also protects you from unreasonable search and seizure, wiretappings.

But hey its ok to Steamroll parts of the constitution when you're scared, and when there's a Republican in office.

I still find it hilarious that some of you thump your chests about constitution this and constitution that, but defend the patriot act like its a piece of gold pressed latinum.

"Those who trade liberty for security, will end up with neither".
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I suggest you actually read the Constitution before commenting on it. As I recall you live in South Africa and thus are hardly an expert on the U.S. Constitution but you certainly do buy rhetoric from others that you want to believe. Given the choice between GW Bush and Barack Obama when it comes to helping your country there is no question who your govt. would select, GW Bush. Show me how one U.S. Citizen has been affected by the Patriot Act?

As I recall Barack Obama extended the Patriot Act and in fact broadened its authority. Where is your outrage? I find people around the world governed by dictators to be some of the most naive I have ever seen when it comes to the enemy we face.
 
digsbe said:
You compensate them for it. I do think we should have solid evidence first.
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Exactly right, anyone prosecuted unfairly is going to be very rich when they take the govt. to a jury trial.
 
Conservative said:
I suggest you actually read the Constitution before commenting on it. As I recall you live in South Africa and thus are hardly an expert on the U.S. Constitution but you certainly do buy rhetoric from others that you want to believe. Given the choice between GW Bush and Barack Obama when it comes to helping your country there is no question who your govt. would select, GW Bush. Show me how one U.S. Citizen has been affected by the Patriot Act?

As I recall Barack Obama extended the Patriot Act and in fact broadened its authority. Where is your outrage? I find people around the world governed by dictators to be some of the most naive I have ever seen when it comes to the enemy we face.
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First of all. I live in Canada, I'm merely born South African.

Your mistake is thinking I'm an Obamabot.

However, Obamas decision to extend the patriot act is a purely political one. Republicans would have a field day if he hadn't of.

Um... how can the patriot act not be unconstitutional, it gives security officials the right to search and wiretap you without a warrant...

Thumping chest about smaller government this and smaller government that... but yet 1 000 000 people have access to top secret information including private contractors.

That means information ABOUT YOU!

But hey, its ok. In the interests of national security, we have to make sacrifices.

But... wait a second. What if this monstrosity of a security apparatus were to be turned against you. Well then ****, you'll actually have to face the consequences of your actions by supporting this police state piece of garbage act.
 
digsbe said:
You compensate them for it. I do think we should have solid evidence first.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Digsbe.

If you were to start compensating people your government have ****ed over, your deficit would run into the Brazzilions :2razz:

It is impossible to sue the American government for abuses. Not a single innocent gitmo detainee has gotten a red penny.
 
Jetboogieman said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Digsbe.

If you were to start compensating people your government have ****ed over, your deficit would run into the Brazzilions :2razz:

It is impossible to sue the American government for abuses. Not a single innocent gitmo detainee has gotten a red penny.
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Is there any innocent GITMO detainees? My point is that it saves lives, it may not be perfect but it saves lives. Terrorists should have no rights either.
 
Jetboogieman said:
First of all. I live in Canada, I'm merely born South African.

Your mistake is thinking I'm an Obamabot.

However, Obamas decision to extend the patriot act is a purely political one. Republicans would have a field day if he hadn't of.

Um... how can the patriot act not be unconstitutional, it gives security officials the right to search and wiretap you without a warrant...

Thumping chest about smaller government this and smaller government that... but yet 1 000 000 people have access to top secret information including private contractors.

That means information ABOUT YOU!

But hey, its ok. In the interests of national security, we have to make sacrifices.

But... wait a second. What if this monstrosity of a security apparatus were to be turned against you. Well then ****, you'll actually have to face the consequences of your actions by supporting this police state piece of garbage act.
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Then I suggest you stick to Canadian issues and let the Americans take care of our own issues. I don't care about information that the govt. has on me as I am not paranoid like you and others. My freedom is protected by a strong national defense. IMO, most in Canada would prefer to have GW Bush protecting them than Barack Obama. You really are naive when it comes to our national security and the enemy we face.

I am more worried about liberals destroying this country than I am about GW Bush keeping us safe.
 
Conservative said:
Then I suggest you stick to Canadian issues and let the Americans take care of our own issues. I don't care about information that the govt. has on me as I am not paranoid like you and others. My freedom is protected by a strong national defense. IMO, most in Canada would prefer to have GW Bush protecting them than Barack Obama. You really are naive when it comes to our national security and the enemy we face.

I am more worried about liberals destroying this country than I am about GW Bush keeping us safe.
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Your post is absolutely hilarious. Contradictory.

"I'm not paranoid... but I'm scared of the scary liburals!"

lol! We don't need either Obama or Bush defending us. We're doing just fine up here. Both are defending you by the way. Both are using the same security apparatus, so how could there be a difference?
 
digsbe said:
Is there any innocent GITMO detainees? My point is that it saves lives, it may not be perfect but it saves lives. Terrorists should have no rights either.
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Take rights away from one person. And you can take them away from anyone.

I'd be more then happy to blow a terrorist away. Torture him, but the thing is. In my mind, before I did it. Especially if this person was captured doing extra-ordinary rendition, how could I be sure they got the right guy?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Take rights away from one person. And you can take them away from anyone.
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This already happens all the time unfortunately. But regardless, terrorists deserve no rights. Someone who is an enemy of my nation and bent on killing the innocent or our soldiers deserves no rights,
I'd be more then happy to blow a terrorist away. Torture him, but the thing is. In my mind, before I did it. Especially if this person was captured doing extra-ordinary rendition, how could I be sure they got the right guy?
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We can hopefully cross reference images and possibly DNA. Personally I would favor giving them psychoactive drugs to get them to spill their information.
 
digsbe said:
This already happens all the time unfortunately. But regardless, terrorists deserve no rights. Someone who is an enemy of my nation and bent on killing the innocent or our soldiers deserves no rights
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Issue: What if you got the wrong guy? I'm not arguing whether its right or wrong to torture actual terrorists.

We can hopefully cross reference images and possibly DNA. Personally I would favor giving them psychoactive drugs to get them to spill their information.
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What DNA evidence are you gonna obtain if you capture some guy in a one off raid in the mountains of Afghanistan and its just some goat farmer.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Your post is absolutely hilarious. Contradictory.

"I'm not paranoid... but I'm scared of the scary liburals!"

lol! We don't need either Obama or Bush defending us. We're doing just fine up here. Both are defending you by the way. Both are using the same security apparatus, so how could there be a difference?
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You ought to be scare of ignorance for that is what liberals possess. Talk about naive, you're "doing fine up here?" If you were attacked like we were on 9/11 wonder who you would go to for help? I support what GW Bush did 100% and would take him back in a heartbeat today. It does appear that a growing majority now feel the same way. Only the liberal left remain naive, gullible, and very misinformed when it comes to the enemy we face. Liberals do that on just about every issue, judge everyone else by their own standards. Radical Islam wants you to convert or die. Seems to me the choice is very clear.
 
Conservative said:
You ought to be scare of ignorance for that is what liberals possess. Talk about naive, you're "doing fine up here?" If you were attacked like we were on 9/11 wonder who you would go to for help? I support what GW Bush did 100% and would take him back in a heartbeat today. It does appear that a growing majority now feel the same way. Only the liberal left remain naive, gullible, and very misinformed when it comes to the enemy we face. Liberals do that on just about every issue, judge everyone else by their own standards. Radical Islam wants you to convert or die. Seems to me the choice is very clear.
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Partisan talking points.

Brilliant response.
 
It really doesn't bother you to commit heinous evil acts so long as we do it to our enemies? That's exactly the same mentality of Vlad the Impaler. Or of our enemies! I don't want to become Al Queda to fight Al Queda. It's not just about saving lives. It's about living with yourself afterwords. But I suppose some people's morality just doesn't include the inflicting of torture as evil.
 
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Conservative said:
You ought to be scare of ignorance for that is what liberals possess. Talk about naive, you're "doing fine up here?" If you were attacked like we were on 9/11 wonder who you would go to for help? I support what GW Bush did 100% and would take him back in a heartbeat today.
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Terrorists attacks

Obama 0 on American home soil.

Bush 1 heck of one on American soil.
 
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