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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    This already happens all the time unfortunately. But regardless, terrorists deserve no rights. Someone who is an enemy of my nation and bent on killing the innocent or our soldiers deserves no rights
    Issue: What if you got the wrong guy? I'm not arguing whether its right or wrong to torture actual terrorists.

    We can hopefully cross reference images and possibly DNA. Personally I would favor giving them psychoactive drugs to get them to spill their information.
    What DNA evidence are you gonna obtain if you capture some guy in a one off raid in the mountains of Afghanistan and its just some goat farmer.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Your post is absolutely hilarious. Contradictory.

    "I'm not paranoid... but I'm scared of the scary liburals!"

    lol! We don't need either Obama or Bush defending us. We're doing just fine up here. Both are defending you by the way. Both are using the same security apparatus, so how could there be a difference?
    You ought to be scare of ignorance for that is what liberals possess. Talk about naive, you're "doing fine up here?" If you were attacked like we were on 9/11 wonder who you would go to for help? I support what GW Bush did 100% and would take him back in a heartbeat today. It does appear that a growing majority now feel the same way. Only the liberal left remain naive, gullible, and very misinformed when it comes to the enemy we face. Liberals do that on just about every issue, judge everyone else by their own standards. Radical Islam wants you to convert or die. Seems to me the choice is very clear.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You ought to be scare of ignorance for that is what liberals possess. Talk about naive, you're "doing fine up here?" If you were attacked like we were on 9/11 wonder who you would go to for help? I support what GW Bush did 100% and would take him back in a heartbeat today. It does appear that a growing majority now feel the same way. Only the liberal left remain naive, gullible, and very misinformed when it comes to the enemy we face. Liberals do that on just about every issue, judge everyone else by their own standards. Radical Islam wants you to convert or die. Seems to me the choice is very clear.
    Partisan talking points.

    Brilliant response.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    It really doesn't bother you to commit heinous evil acts so long as we do it to our enemies? That's exactly the same mentality of Vlad the Impaler. Or of our enemies! I don't want to become Al Queda to fight Al Queda. It's not just about saving lives. It's about living with yourself afterwords. But I suppose some people's morality just doesn't include the inflicting of torture as evil.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You ought to be scare of ignorance for that is what liberals possess. Talk about naive, you're "doing fine up here?" If you were attacked like we were on 9/11 wonder who you would go to for help? I support what GW Bush did 100% and would take him back in a heartbeat today.

    Terrorists attacks

    Obama 0 on American home soil.

    Bush 1 heck of one on American soil.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Terrorists attacks

    Obama 0 on American home soil.

    Bush 1 heck of one on American soil.
    Are you actually claiming that Obama is why we've not had another 9/11 type attack?

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Radical Islam wants you to convert or die. Seems to me the choice is very clear.
    Radical Christianity says the same thing. Radical Islam, btw, doesn't have the means to force a "convert or die" situation. Militant, fundamentalist Muslims who have the desire and means to strike the US... there's maybe 100 in the whole world. There are THREE HUNDRED MILLION of us. Nothing that Al Queda or any of their friends could ever do would either kill us or change us to be like them. Unless we allow ourselves to be governed by fear, infringe on liberty, and generally act like barbarians.

    Oh wait, that's exactly what GWB's policies did... He made us more like Osama bin Laden wants us to be. Good job!
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    "Might Save Lives"

    I'm not naive enough to think that its not possible lives has been saved through torture but...

    What about the innocents who get tortured in this manner?


    How many innocents were waterboarded? link please.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It really doesn't bother you to commit heinous evil acts so long as we do it to our enemies? That's exactly the same mentality of Vlad the Impaler. Or of our enemies! I don't want to become Al Queda to fight Al Queda. It's not just about saving lives. It's about living with yourself afterwords. But I suppose some people's morality just doesn't include the inflicting of torture as evil.



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    “Then Jean de Rye, an aged knight of Burgundy who had been sore wounded in the battle, rode up to the group of young knights and said: ‘Are ye maidens with your downcast eyes? Look well upon it. See all of it. Close your eyes to nothing. For a battle is fought to be won, and it is this that happens if you lose.’”



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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It really doesn't both you to commit heinous evil acts so long as we do it to our enemies? That's exactly the same mentality of Vlad the Impaler. Or of our enemies! I don't want to become Al Queda to fight Al Queda. It's not just about saving lives. It's about living with yourself afterwords. But I suppose some people's morality just doesn't include the inflicting of torture as evil.
    Watching GW Bush on Monday night and last night it looks to me like he is living with his decisions quite well and I believe he was right. Like it or not, he kept this country safe and attornies told him he was within his rights to do what he did. Democrats agreed or they would have impeached him. Democrats did not want their words put into the record during any Impeachment hearings as they preferred the issue vs. the trial.

    The United States is the most moral country on the face of the earth and proves it every day. When a tragedy occurs we are the first in line offering help. When our friends are attacked we are the first to defend them. How anyone can grant civil rights to terrorists is beyond comprehension especially when the leaders of those animals cut off heads and authorize the murder of innocent civilians. My bet is that if one of your loved ones was killed by a terrorist you would have a different opinion on the issue.

    I had three family members in Iraq and all three said we did the right thing. They saw the atroscities thrust on the Iraqi people and in particular women. They saw the people that picked up the head of those that went against terrorists and who actually did nothing to cause those beheadings other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Sorry, but IMO you are totally and completely wrong in your assessment and that assessment would change if your individual circumstances changed.

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