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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry, didn't read your profile but the question remains, how would you feel if your leadership could have prevented the death of one of your loved ones but didn't? Waterboarding wasn't classified as torture by the lawyers regardless of what you claim and that action saved a lot of American lives. I support what Bush did and would take him back in a heartbeat.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Bush can claim whatever he wants.

    UK says he is lying and denies it. Cameron condemns Bush and call out his bull****. Oh and UK disagrees with US. Water boarding is classified as torture.
    Any information received is unreliable. Anyone facing torture will crack and tell the individuals what they wish to hear.

    And if individuals in UK did willingly help US torture people. They ought to face a trial and go to jail.
    People who say that, don't know how it works. There are concequences for giving bad info. It's not like the subject gets tortured, suck some info out of him, then he's released. The info is confirmed and if it's bull****, you go back and make his ass even more uncomfortable.

    This is a perfect time to bring this up. Why do the rules only apply to the US and not to the bad guys? Interesting how that's always the case.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    NO!!! I don't believe torture works, regardless I don't want our nation to seen as doing the same thing as terrorists do. There are ways to get information in a humane way. At the end of WWII the Germans didn't resist be captured because the knew they would be treated humanely by the Americans. The policy saved the lives of our troops. Torture is bad policy and I am surprised Bush did recognize that.

    Youe mean this kind of humane treatment?


    Where members of the 157th Infantry Regiment summarily executed gaurds at Dachau; no trial, no miranda rights and if you'll notice, not even a blindfold. Lined'em up and shot'em down like dogs.



    How 'bout when Allied units forced German civilians to bury the bodies of the camp victims? International law defines that as slavery and, yes, it's a war crime.

    How about the German POW's that starved to death in American POW camps?

    And, all that ain't nothin' compared to what the French did to German POW's after the war.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, that is one problem with torture. Unrealiable. other methods have less problem with that as opposed to no problem with it. With torture, even the innocent, competely unknowleagable will give information. Other methods can sort through that better.

    But, if we accpet your misreading, and all suffer from the same problems equally (they don't), why torture?
    Why bother asking them any questions at all? If they expect to be asked questions, and giving them what they expect only makes them feel confident and comfortable, why not just give them a box of chocolates and send them on their way?

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Jews resisted months and months of torture by nazis... especially the communist jews. (Go figure that one)

    What makes you think a mujahadeen is going to be broken by enhanced interrogation?

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Jews resisted months and months of torture by nazis... especially the communist jews. (Go figure that one)

    What makes you think a mujahadeen is going to be broken by enhanced interrogation?
    You know that makes absolutely no sense. Right? Where are you even coming from with that comment?
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Youe mean this kind of humane treatment?


    Where members of the 157th Infantry Regiment summarily executed gaurds at Dachau; no trial, no miranda rights and if you'll notice, not even a blindfold. Lined'em up and shot'em down like dogs.

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    How 'bout when Allied units forced German civilians to bury the bodies of the camp victims? International law defines that as slavery and, yes, it's a war crime.

    How about the German POW's that starved to death in American POW camps?

    And, all that ain't nothin' compared to what the French did to German POW's after the war.
    How about General George Washington famously ordering his troops to give refuge to hundreds of surrendering Hessian soldiers. "Treat them with humanity?"


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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Perhaps I missed it in all the pages of avoidance and semantic quibbling over the legalities, but Dubya's claim is rejected by British politicians from the conservative PM down, and British security services. It's been pointed out that one of the events he claims we were "warned" about, the Heathrow threat, happened 4 days before the torture, legal or otherwise. (All but Bushlaw supporters suggest "otherwise")
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You know that makes absolutely no sense. Right? Where are you even coming from with that comment?
    It's actually historically accurate and an insight on current torture practice by the US.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Jews resisted months and months of torture by nazis... especially the communist jews. (Go figure that one)

    What makes you think a mujahadeen is going to be broken by enhanced interrogation?
    Why were the nazis torturing the Jews? Oh, that's right, they were being tortured for the sake of torture. In that case, what is it that the Jews were resisting?

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