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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If this copyrighted material you really do need to link it as per the forum rules.
    It's a public release document, get a grip.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's a public release document, get a grip.

    So why doesn't he link it? Is he hiding something....like he usually is.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You should still link it.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then you're saying he's an enemy soldier engaging in a war. Like I said, you apparently want it all possible ways.
    Engaging in war is not terrorism. How do you not get that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Do you have a clue ? What do you not understand ? In legal terms, he was an illegal combatant by more than one reference in the Geneva Conventions. We do not need some nice folder to file him in, as a "terrorist", or "murderer", etc. We have full authority to try him by hasty tribunal and execute him of we choose to. Or we can grant him a full civil trial. The choice is at our pleasure. He has no standing as an enemy combatant.

    By Geneva Convention and all recognized rules of war, American soldiers in uniform are legal combatants. Capable of criminal acts, the deliberate killing of civilians, etc., for sure, and they have to be dealt with when they happen. "Acts or terror", that being the targeting of civilian populations and assets so as to compel surrender, occur in modern war. Dropping buzz bombs on London. Bombing Dresden. Hiroshima. But there are still distinctions to be had. Distinctions that make one legal or illegal as a combatant. Its in our laws and treaties. Hasan was not in a gray area. Nor are such as KSM.
    Please show me where I said we didn't have the right to put him on trial, or that whether or not he's a terrorist at all changes his impending trial. He committed crimes that I hope he gets executed for, but none of those crimes fit the definition of terrorism.

    Jeffrey Dahmer (sp?) is a lunatic who killed people and ate them, but I would object to somebody calling him a carjacker because he didn't steal cars.

    edit: whoah. Thread moved fast since last I was here.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So why doesn't he link it? Is he hiding something....like he usually is.
    You don't have enough sense to find it on your own, or what?
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't have enough sense to find it on your own, or what?
    Why doesn't he link in the first place?

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So tell me exactly what Bush should have done to prevent 9/11 which happened 8 months after he took office? Bush didn't ignore the problem thus the commission he established to study the issue. Clinton PDB of 12/04/1998 actually came to fruition a little less than 3 years later so tell me what Clinton did to bolster airline security? Easy to blame Bush but hard for you to recognize that Clinton could have prevented it. That is typical partisan bs.
    Who said Clinton didn't prevent it, it didn't happen during his presidency. It happened during BUSH.


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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Who said Clinton didn't prevent it, it didn't happen during his presidency. It happened during BUSH.
    So what exactly should Bush have done in the 8 months he was in office that Clinton didn't do in the two years after the PDB?

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In times of War the CIC is responsible to do whatever is necessary to save American lives. President Bush authorized Waterboarding of THREE high ranking al Qaeda including the Mastermind of 9/11 that led to the capture of high valued targets. Attornies told him it was legal and he did his job. God Bless President Bush. It really is too bad that liberals are so naive that they don't understand the enemy we face, those that cut off heads and blow up buildings with no regard to innocent lives.
    What's especially duplicitous is in how Liberals speak openly, and louder than anyone about GWB, and his evil ways. However, I'm not convinced in the slightest that should Obama have made the same decisions under the same circumstances, whether this would all be academic to them.

    Plus, I ask all of them just how their morality would endure the test where perhaps their own daughter, or son was at immanent risk by a terrorist but if we just tortured the little bastard a bit, we'd uncover the whole plot, and many lives including their own offspring would be saved? For me, sorry, it's a no brainer. It's just the parental instincts in me I guess. Much like if someone was threatening me or my family in my space, I have the legal right to blow his mother ****ing head off. Seems a little more extreme than forcing someone to drink a little water no and again..

    Makes me laugh at the stupidity of the left, and just how ****ing dangerous they and the likes of Obama really are to our real safety!


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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't have enough sense to find it on your own, or what?
    Liberals don't like it when challenged and proven wrong. They just ignore it like all other cult followers.

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