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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    The only thing torturing does is make people say what ever you want them to say. Ask John McCain about that.


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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The only thing torturing does is make people say what ever you want them to say. Ask John McCain about that.

    Well, I actually agree to a point. What other methods sans water boarding do you think is torture that the US is documented to have committed?

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The only thing torturing does is make people say what ever you want them to say. Ask John McCain about that.
    That is not true, at least the potential for results. My understanding is that within the Quran, efforts of resistance are dictated. Once met, the one being inconvenienced can spill his or her guts. That occured with a few detainees if reports are to be believed.

    Information given is put to the corroberation test. With what information has been provided, and it is limited in what has been made public, we captured other operatives and stopped other terrorist plans because of information gotten via interrogations which included water-boarding.

    In the case of McCain and other POW's, there was very little actionable information available, as the U.S. POW's did not have much in the way of covert intelligence to give. What they did do is make statements critical of the U.S., which is what was wanted. Point being, enhanced interrogation does work.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The only thing torturing does is make people say what ever you want them to say. Ask John McCain about that.
    Right out of the DNC talking points as if you believe a world McCain says. How many al Qaeda members were captured after the three high value targets were waterboarded? Bush explained it quite well last night when talking about the role the Islamic religion played in getting the evidence from KSM. Waterboarding led to the gathering of data that saved American lives. Wonder how you would have felt had a family member been killed by a terrorist?

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, we aren't the media, they are a propaganda machine as has been proven by the actual results.
    There's lots of propoganda in the world, some provided by yourself. But as I siad, media is just the temr for the method we use to communicate.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    BBC News - George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Goes to show, its effective to a degree. I'm personally okay with violating the rights of terrorists if it means protecting the right to life of innocent civilians.
    Finally, this is the sort of frank discussion I have been waiting for for years. An actual linkage between torture and what good it may do for the protection of our society.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you believe that Barry has "saved, or created" 3 Million jobs?


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    Number seems high to me. But I have no doubt some jobs were saved. I KNOW some where saved here. We have people waiting for the money to end and trying to plan what to do when that money iis all used up.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's lots of propoganda in the world, some provided by yourself. But as I siad, media is just the temr for the method we use to communicate.


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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's lots of propoganda in the world, some provided by yourself. But as I siad, media is just the temr for the method we use to communicate.
    Please provide specifics of any propaganda that I have provided. The media has changed over the past decade and no longer represents the non partisan fact finding entity it used to be.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Number seems high to me. But I have no doubt some jobs were saved. I KNOW some where saved here. We have people waiting for the money to end and trying to plan what to do when that money iis all used up.
    There is no question that some jobs were saved but the questions remain was that the role of the stimulus and how it was sold plus could those jobs have been saved without the Federal Govt. doing it? Teachers' jobs are state responsibilities and the states didn't have to find a way to save those jobs as the govt. stepped in and did what they weren't really authorized to do.

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