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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    BBC News - George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Goes to show, its effective to a degree. I'm personally okay with violating the rights of terrorists if it means protecting the right to life of innocent civilians.
    Does he provide evidence? And how much harm did wrong intel cause (I'm thinking of al Libi's coersed testimoney that help lead us to the needless war in Iraq)?

    Saying something is so is very different than it actually being so. I wouldn't take Bush's word for it without evidence to support the claim.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Does he provide evidence? And how much harm did wrong intel cause (I'm thinking of al Libi's coersed testimoney that help lead us to the needless war in Iraq)?

    Saying something is so is very different than it actually being so. I wouldn't take Bush's word for it without evidence to support the claim.
    You don't have any problem taking the word of other media and continue to defend that media even when confronted with facts. Looks to me like a double standard.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hey! It's the regressive absolutism game again!

    Any more slander you'd like to level? Accuse me of child molestation maybe?

    I didn't accuse you of anything chief. I asked you a question. Defensive much?



    He attacked soldiers at a military base. That sort of thing happens in war. Civilians were on the base, some got shot at.
    What army and country was he representing, and what uniform was he wearing?

    Who did he target?


    Had he gone on the base and blew up its HQ or perhaps attacked the flight line you would have a better chance at a point. But

    We shoot at insurgents in Iraq. Sometimes civilians are there too and get killed. Terrorism?
    /facepalm Your ignorance and comparison of a terrorist attack to the us military is far more slanderous than my asking you if you are defending this jackoff.


    Guy shoots up a convenience store. Shooting at civilians! Terrorism?
    Depends on his motive.


    Ft. Hood was more "espionage" and "murder" than "terrorism." (he was apparently recruited via correspondence with islamic extremists)


    Espionage?
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, you're telling me that shooting at enemy soldiers is terrorism?

    He's a murderer and a traitor.


    Who committed an act of terrorism.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm telling you that in order for them to BE "enemy soldiers," he had to be an enemy of the United States. How do you NOT get that?

    And being an enemy of the United States, what would you call him?
    An enemy of the United States. Being our enemy does not make you a terrorist, you have to commit an act of terrorism to earn that label.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Who really friggin cares what you call it ? Engaging in such semantics is the argument of fools anyway. They're terrorists, murderers, scumbags ..... etc. What matters is that they deliberately target our civilians, do not wear uniforms, and hide amongst the civilian populace. That makes them illegal combatants, responsible for all the "civilian" collateral damage done in the pursuit of them, and OBTW, have very limitied protections anywhere by any law. And they are volunteers for all that befalls them
    It matters because labeling this guy a terrorist means either holding a double standard or labeling some of our guys terrorists also.
    Islamic extremists convince American soldier to switch sides and turn on his comrades: terrorism!
    CIA convinces Iraqi insurgent to switch sides and turn on his comrades: some damned fine intelligence work!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    An enemy of the United States. Being our enemy does not make you a terrorist, you have to commit an act of terrorism to earn that label.
    Then you're saying he's an enemy soldier engaging in a war. Like I said, you apparently want it all possible ways.
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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    An enemy of the United States. Being our enemy does not make you a terrorist, you have to commit an act of terrorism to earn that label.



    It matters because labeling this guy a terrorist means either holding a double standard or labeling some of our guys terrorists also.
    Islamic extremists convince American soldier to switch sides and turn on his comrades: terrorism!
    CIA convinces Iraqi insurgent to switch sides and turn on his comrades: some damned fine intelligence work!
    Do you have a clue ? What do you not understand ? In legal terms, he was an illegal combatant by more than one reference in the Geneva Conventions. We do not need some nice folder to file him in, as a "terrorist", or "murderer", etc. We have full authority to try him by hasty tribunal and execute him of we choose to. Or we can grant him a full civil trial. The choice is at our pleasure. He has no standing as an enemy combatant.

    By Geneva Convention and all recognized rules of war, American soldiers in uniform are legal combatants. Capable of criminal acts, the deliberate killing of civilians, etc., for sure, and they have to be dealt with when they happen. "Acts or terror", that being the targeting of civilian populations and assets so as to compel surrender, occur in modern war. Dropping buzz bombs on London. Bombing Dresden. Hiroshima. But there are still distinctions to be had. Distinctions that make one legal or illegal as a combatant. Its in our laws and treaties. Hasan was not in a gray area. Nor are such as KSM.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't have any problem taking the word of other media and continue to defend that media even when confronted with facts. Looks to me like a double standard.
    I don't take anyone's word. I take a look at evidence. I only ask that you do the same. BTW, media is only the method by which something is communicated. By us taking by way of the computer, we're the media.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't take anyone's word. I take a look at evidence. I only ask that you do the same. BTW, media is only the method by which something is communicated. By us taking by way of the computer, we're the media.
    No, we aren't the media, they are a propaganda machine as has been proven by the actual results.

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    Re: George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't take anyone's word. I take a look at evidence. I only ask that you do the same. BTW, media is only the method by which something is communicated. By us taking by way of the computer, we're the media.
    Do you believe that Barry has "saved, or created" 3 Million jobs?


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